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a double standard regarding Korean/foreign teachers?
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legalquestions



Joined: 25 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: a double standard regarding Korean/foreign teachers? Reply with quote

Are Korean teachers (public schools, universities, hogwans, etc.) required to undergo medical exams and/or criminal background checks?

Anybody know? I'm just curious.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure they are, yes. There is a whole lot they have to go through that foreigners don't, such as being certified teachers, which is a very arduous process.
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normalcyispasse



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least at my school, K-teachers are required to have health checks.
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passing the teaching test here is really, really hard. In fact you have to be pretty fricking smart to pass it. A lot of people who would be great teachers just can't get the high scores required to pass the test. I am pretty sure teachers in the public school system are qualified and checked pretty well before being given jobs.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course there are some double standards (how can there not be, when the majority don't know much Korean beyond ordering food or telling kids off), but I would argue that at many public schools, foreigners on one-year contracts are treated much better than Koreans on one-year contracts. We generally get better holidays, con't have to do manual labour jobs or supervise cleaning around the school, don't have to supervise students outside our own lessons, and don't have nearly the paperwork. As for qualifications, however, a good number of KTs on one-year contracts haven't yet passed all the tests, either.

I think that far more double-standards are present at some hagwons, where it's made very clear that foreign 'teachers' aren't even to be treated like teachers, even if they possess more qualifications than some of the Korean 'teachers' who don't even have BAs.
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to disagree with you Typhoon; the teacher's exam is very, very competitive but there are still some teachers who get their jobs because of bribes.
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aarontendo



Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bribes are done in private schools mostly from what I understand, and they don't require passing the teacher exam, but I guess many still do.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow -- imagine citizens of a country having one set of laws to follow regarding employment, and non-citizens from other countries have a completely different set of laws to follow in order to get a job in that country, even if they are doing the same jobs! Man, I am glad in my home country that we don't make folks jump through any hoops in order to come in and get jobs...oh, wait...er.....

Prior to these recent regulations, it was tougher for a Korean to get a tourist visa to the US than it was for a US citizen to get an E2 visa...let alone comparing a tourist visa to a tourist visa.

The new regs are a pain, but are nothing compared to what the US puts other folks through...so I guess I should be glad I am not a foreigner trying to get a job in America....
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lucas_p



Joined: 17 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thegadfly wrote:
The new regs are a pain, but are nothing compared to what the US puts other folks through...so I guess I should be glad I am not a foreigner trying to get a job in America....


Korea might just have a situation in the future that American already has:

It is much easier to get a job and get started being an illegal immigrant that trying to go the legal way. If every new reg is upheld and really strict, people will just find ways to teach illegally.

On topic,

From my own experience, my SIL had to work VERY hard to become an elementary school teacher -- and she works many more hours than almost any of us do, too.
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THIS JUST IN:

KOREAN TEACHERS MUST HAVE TEACHING DEGREES!

OMG!!!!!!111!1!1!!!11!!one
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yeremy



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Double Standard? Reply with quote

If you work in the public school system in Korea, you have to have a medical check up every two years, so there is not a double standard regarding the medical check ups. But, there may be a double standard as to whether or not a Korean teacher has to stay all day at school. It seems to me that they have more ways to excuse or beg off staying at school for more reasons than a foreign teacher can, but I don't really care about that.
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T-dot



Joined: 16 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private school teachers are still required to take a test. Have been told the Private test can be much more difficult. The ones that havent taken the test are usually on a contract and are waiting to take or even re-take the test.

ALL teachers must do a basic check-up when the become a teacher. Its cheap and simple. They are then given an optional check-up(most teachers do it because its to a cheap way to monitor their health) every 2 years which is paid for. The first test allows you to work. The yearly test, is just to make sure you are healthy etc.. There is no pass or fail for the yearly tests.

Yes, we do get treated and paid better than newer Korean teachers on contract. We generally have half the hours and workload as well.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
But, there may be a double standard as to whether or not a Korean teacher has to stay all day at school. It seems to me that they have more ways to excuse or beg off staying at school for more reasons than a foreign teacher can, but I don't really care about that.


Yeah, Korean teachers spend way less time at school than foreign teachers... Rolling Eyes
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-dot wrote:
Private school teachers are still required to take a test. Have been told the Private test can be much more difficult. The ones that havent taken the test are usually on a contract and are waiting to take or even re-take the test.


Tests for private school teachers is highly dependant on the school. Schools that get alot of applicants may use tests to determine who they hire. Others, will just choose someone, like a son of a former vice-principal, or someone who shows up with a really really rich cake...
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Al Khidr



Joined: 27 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have yearly physicals at my university--along with the Korean professors. That being said, I don't know why I can't just submit my blood work and exam results from my university instead of going to some special government-approved clinic probably run by an uncle of someone in the Ministry of Justice.

As mentioned earlier, Korean English teachers do have to be licensed as teachers of English; however, from my experience working in a middle school some years back, that did NOT mean they had to be able to speak more than a few badly pronounced words of English. The head of the English program at that middle school could shout out "Good morning!" any time of the day, but not much else beyond teaching grammar all in Korean. I also recall the male teachers drinking on the job being a regular experience. Hmm, I don't suppose Korea has on-the-job drug tests for their Korean teachers? One Korean teacher at that school told me that the vice principal carried a special cash bag in his car to pay off cops if he ever got pulled over for drunk driving. Double standard? Heck, it's their country... What do you expect?
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