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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: Public School- a refuge for the lazy and aged? |
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Public school teachers have to teach 20 whole hours/ week, but they have to be in the school for 40 hours/ week.
Is it better to teach, say 25 hours/ week at a hagwon and only be on site when you teach?
Personally, I think that PS school positions are great if you are older, tired and appreciate free time chained to a desk.
I would NEVER work a PS job unless there was an understanding that i come in and teach and then leave.
Your thoughts? |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| There are good public schools (like mine) and bad ones... just as there are good and bad hogwans. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| There are good public schools (like mine) and bad ones... just as there are good and bad hogwans. |
Does a good public school let you teach and leave like a good hagwon?
If so, is it pot luck or can you negotiate this before you sign a contract like you can with a hagwon? |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Public School- a refuge for the lazy and aged? |
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| PGF wrote: |
Public school teachers have to teach 20 whole hours/ week, but they have to be in the school for 40 hours/ week.
Is it better to teach, say 25 hours/ week at a hagwon and only be on site when you teach?
Personally, I think that PS school positions are great if you are older, tired and appreciate free time chained to a desk.
I would NEVER work a PS job unless there was an understanding that i come in and teach and then leave.
Your thoughts? |
I never taught only 25 hours at a hogwon. I also had to stay at both hogwons I worked at for at least 40 hrs a week.
My hogwon got me evicted by not paying my rent and still owes me over 2.5 million. Have yet to hear of public schools fucking over teachers that way. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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My (public) school lets me leave when I don't have classes. It's all a matter of the individuals involved; and unless one knows the school/administration before taking the job, it's a crapshoot.
I love my job! 
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Public School- a refuge for the lazy and aged? |
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| PGF wrote: |
Public school teachers have to teach 20 whole hours/ week, but they have to be in the school for 40 hours/ week.
Is it better to teach, say 25 hours/ week at a hagwon and only be on site when you teach?
Personally, I think that PS school positions are great if you are older, tired and appreciate free time chained to a desk.
I would NEVER work a PS job unless there was an understanding that i come in and teach and then leave.
Your thoughts? |
I never taught only 25 hours at a hogwon. I also had to stay at both hogwons I worked at for at least 40 hrs a week.
My hogwon got me evicted by not paying my rent and still owes me over 2.5 million. Have yet to hear of public schools *beep* over teachers that way. |
first year in korea is hard because you don't have a choice. And, if you are not savvy, you can get screwed out of money, apt., etc.
BUT, I know guys who were in bad hagwons and turned the tide on the employers, quit and got GREAT hagwon jobs. It comes down to your ability to negotiate or fight for what is yours/ what is due to you. If you have a crappy hagwon job and your contract is being violated, it's up to you to change the situation. If you are unwilling, you get it in the back end.
I was at a bad hagwon my first year and I turned it to my favor and finished the contract.
after the first year though, you negotiate the terms. A public school should not be considered for a second year worker who wants more money, more free time and the ability to do PLs in that free time. |
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boyne11
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Landing a good PS job is a crapshoot.
For the experience sake, you should do at least a year in hagwon and then try PS so that you can compare.
I've found that Koreans at PS are most xenophobic, anti-foreigner, and beaurocractic people. And they don't appreciate English education.
At least, at hagwon, people appreciate your presence and hard work. It's much more rewarding.
I'll be returning to my old hagwon when I finish my PS contract. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Public School- a refuge for the lazy and aged? |
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| PGF wrote: |
| Atavistic wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
Public school teachers have to teach 20 whole hours/ week, but they have to be in the school for 40 hours/ week.
Is it better to teach, say 25 hours/ week at a hagwon and only be on site when you teach?
Personally, I think that PS school positions are great if you are older, tired and appreciate free time chained to a desk.
I would NEVER work a PS job unless there was an understanding that i come in and teach and then leave.
Your thoughts? |
I never taught only 25 hours at a hogwon. I also had to stay at both hogwons I worked at for at least 40 hrs a week.
My hogwon got me evicted by not paying my rent and still owes me over 2.5 million. Have yet to hear of public schools *beep* over teachers that way. |
first year in korea is hard because you don't have a choice. And, if you are not savvy, you can get screwed out of money, apt., etc.
BUT, I know guys who were in bad hagwons and turned the tide on the employers, quit and got GREAT hagwon jobs. It comes down to your ability to negotiate or fight for what is yours/ what is due to you. If you have a crappy hagwon job and your contract is being violated, it's up to you to change the situation. If you are unwilling, you get it in the back end.
I was at a bad hagwon my first year and I turned it to my favor and finished the contract.
after the first year though, you negotiate the terms. A public school should not be considered for a second year worker who wants more money, more free time and the ability to do PLs in that free time. |
What's your point? How does any of this negate what I said? |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Public School- a refuge for the lazy and aged? |
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| PGF wrote: |
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| PGF wrote: |
Public school teachers have to teach 20 whole hours/ week, but they have to be in the school for 40 hours/ week.
Is it better to teach, say 25 hours/ week at a hagwon and only be on site when you teach?
Personally, I think that PS school positions are great if you are older, tired and appreciate free time chained to a desk.
I would NEVER work a PS job unless there was an understanding that i come in and teach and then leave.
Your thoughts? |
I never taught only 25 hours at a hogwon. I also had to stay at both hogwons I worked at for at least 40 hrs a week.
My hogwon got me evicted by not paying my rent and still owes me over 2.5 million. Have yet to hear of public schools *beep* over teachers that way. |
first year in korea is hard because you don't have a choice. And, if you are not savvy, you can get screwed out of money, apt., etc.
BUT, I know guys who were in bad hagwons and turned the tide on the employers, quit and got GREAT hagwon jobs. It comes down to your ability to negotiate or fight for what is yours/ what is due to you. If you have a crappy hagwon job and your contract is being violated, it's up to you to change the situation. If you are unwilling, you get it in the back end.
I was at a bad hagwon my first year and I turned it to my favor and finished the contract.
after the first year though, you negotiate the terms. A public school should not be considered for a second year worker who wants more money, more free time and the ability to do PLs in that free time. |
What's your point? How does any of this negate what I said? |
it doesn't.
I wasn't trying to disprove you.
in adult conversations, sometimes people agree with each other, or concede to what the other is saying, even in the cyber world. Don't get used to it though. stay confrontational. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I worked at a public school last year and although they were good to me over all, I disliked staying there 40 hours a week. Needless to say, I moved on after the year was up. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Even with some of the problems mentioned, I get 21 base vacation days, plus national holidays, and chances for more. That alone makes my PS job more attractive. The extra time I spend at my PS can be a bore sometimes, but I have fun on the Internet, communicate with my friends and family overseas, do any computer work I'd have to do at home, read books, play video games, listen to music and we have a sleeping room if I want to sleep. Lots of PS days are cancelled, too, or kids have field trips or tests, and the days are cut short or cut altogether. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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BB,
Well at least you had a few more "perks" in your public job, so it doesn't sound that bad. I'd say that's an unusual situation and you were really lucky to have that. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| Even with some of the problems mentioned, I get 21 base vacation days, plus national holidays, and chances for more. That alone makes my PS job more attractive. The extra time I spend at my PS can be a bore sometimes, but I have fun on the Internet, communicate with my friends and family overseas, do any computer work I'd have to do at home, read books, play video games, listen to music and we have a sleeping room if I want to sleep. Lots of PS days are cancelled, too, or kids have field trips or tests, and the days are cut short or cut altogether. |
If you like surfing the internet, sleeping, etc., at work, then PS is great. For me, I'd rather surf the internet at home and sleep at home.
Vacation is not a big deal for me in a hagown. I'd rather work 4 hours or 5 hours at a hagwon and have 2 weeks vacation than spend 8 hours at a PS and have 21 days vacation.
A good hagwon gives you the free time to make the most of each and every day in whatever manner you choose. A PS makes you spend your valuable time surfing the internet. If you are an internet junkie, a really really dedicated teacher, or lazy, PS is wonderful. If you want to make money, a 5 hour hagwon is really good. IMO.
I'm sure PS jobs are great for newbies or tired veterans, but unless you get a really special PS that lets you leave when you are not teaching, I can't imagine a 2nd or 3rd year guy going for a PS. Just my opinion. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: |
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In a US public school you are expected to be there 8 hours but teach maybe 5 so no difference there
just a thought |
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Satin
Joined: 26 Oct 2006
Location: Texas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Well - I'm another person who prefers PS over a hagwon. I have done both; but, next year is university work. Perhaps you should have included university work too!
I'm not a nocturnal person and I deplored working at a hagwon. Too many rotten things can happen if you choose that route. It seems to me, they are more chancy than PS or university.
Maybe I'm lucky, but I prefer to think I've learned how to negotiate and adapt to things that irritate some people. I also make my own lesson plans and keep pretty busy. There is definitely much more respect and professional opportunities than I every saw in a hagwon. |
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