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Which side has stalled unification the most? North or South?
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Ronald



Joined: 14 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Which side has stalled unification the most? North or South? Reply with quote

A year ago, I would have automatically said the North. Now that I've been here a while, I wonder if the South doesn't have more to lose. For example, a cheap labor bureaucracy made up of a mandatory military service.

However, now it seems the South's mouth is watering over all that cheap labor.


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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that the North Koreans who do make it here are very much looked down on.

I tend to agree, South Korea has more to lose. It will cost trillions of dollars to bring North Korea's infrastructure out of the stone age. Many have argued that, if it happens, it will be much tougher then the reunification of East and West Germany.

I don't think if North Korea collapsed tomorrow (not that it will), that it would automatically mean the two countries would reunify. There are too many political differences between the two countries.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody seems to assume the future of the Koreas is for them to reunite. Maybe the North government will collapse, but that doesn't mean they'll join back together. It would be nice to see two independent democratic states.
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betchay



Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder why, but most koreans i know are not in favor of reunification...
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it's because that's the way they've been educated?
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not in favor of reunification because they know it will cost them personally.

Taxes, etc.

It's sad to say, but the truth is that they dream of a united Korea, but don't want to have to pay for it, therefore they are against it. I've heard this same sentiment echoed by student after student.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... if the walls came down today, a lot of NK elite would become richer than rich, while the poor would still remain poor (although they would eat). Within five to ten years, there would be another revolt/war/whatever by the poor of the North who would by then have seen just how rich "everyone else" is.

Let's not forget that the reason the Korean war began was because people in the North were easily swayed due to their feelings of being taken advantage of by those in the South.
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Passions



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans want anything and everything as long as it doesn't cost them a penny.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Which side has stalled unification the most? North or So Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
A year ago, I would have automatically said the North. Now that I've been here a while...

the South's mouth is watering over all that agriculture


Maybe you need to study a bit more about the North mate.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, I shouldn't have said agriculture.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
I've heard that the North Koreans who do make it here are very much looked down on.

I tend to agree, South Korea has more to lose. It will cost trillions of dollars to bring North Korea's infrastructure out of the stone age. Many have argued that, if it happens, it will be much tougher then the reunification of East and West Germany.

I don't think if North Korea collapsed tomorrow (not that it will), that it would automatically mean the two countries would reunify. There are too many political differences between the two countries.


Really, it took more than a trillion dollars worth of direct and indirect U.S. gifts (and their on-going billions and billions and billions in annual military freebies) not to mention the billions and billions and billions of dollars, yen, etc., from Japan and other nations to help the R.O.K. become much more modern.

Many South Koreans know this and do not want to lower their standard of living by trying to help their cousins in North Korea. They'll, we should predict, turn to the U.N. and other sources of money to foot most, if not all, of the costs of reunifying with North Korea.

I said as much to one of my adult pupils back in December, 2002, and he, a researcher in the topic of reunification for a think tank, asserted that this was the Korean government's plan at that time.

They'll have their hands turned palm sides up asking the traditionally generous nations of the world for the money to help them reunite with their families in North Korea. You just wait and see, eh.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roch,

Do you happen to know what the name of the thinktank your student worked at? It would be interesting to read what they've published.

Then again, I guess I could Google it. I guess I'm feeling lazy.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will answer predictably and say it's mostly KJI's fault for no reunification.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not in Japan's, the US's or anyone's interest in seeing both SK and NK going bellyup. Also, China would prefer a stable Korean peninsula than one that is tettering on the verge of an econmic collapse. All countries that have interests in Korea and the region will be as financially generous as possible, very very generous, in hopes to stabilize Korea as fast as possible in the event of a sudden collapse of NK. Assuming it's NK that collapses.
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Roch



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Roch,

Do you happen to know what the name of the thinktank your student worked at? It would be interesting to read what they've published.

Then again, I guess I could Google it. I guess I'm feeling lazy.


I can not remember. For some reason, I think that it is connected to Cheong Wa Dae.
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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fools! It's never a Korean's fault, it's the fault of the USA!
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