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[JMO]

It would be an interesting challenge to count the strawmen. I'd put the over/under at 20.

Interesting use of the strawman plus you don't understand/are not intelligent enough to understand what I am saying tactic. Well maybe interesting isn't the right word. But I agree..Troll.

[therooster]

[JMO]

[therooster]

[Underwaterbob]

DING DING DING it's finally broken out into insults! (not counting those to the intelligence earlier)

[Rteacher]

Although he's far from personal God realization (perhaps approaching the impersonal Absolute...) I think "therooster" has significantly targeted basic assumptions that are pillars of faith in modern science.

The underlying philosophy of physics (and modern empirical science) is materialism - which is a form of philosophical monism.

Basically, the materialistic scientific viewpoint is that by studying matter we can understand everything - including consciousness.

There are some scientists, especially those in the field of quantum mechanics who study the behavior of subatomic particles, who are beginning to realize that material knowledge is not sufficient to explain all phenomena. Some experiments have indicated that the direction of subatomic particles are actually influenced by the conscousness of the observer.

Philosophically, it may be a more valid assumption that everything can be explained by a dualistic conception of matter and (non-physical) consciousness - which is in line with the ancient Vedic worldview...

http://krishnascience.com/5_Physics_Metaphysics.html

Since that article is kind of long (and my paraphrasing skills are kind of short...) I'll copy a particularly interesting portion of it:

...Vedic science, as I already mentioned, is different from western science. It is not empirical science, it is not based on experiment but it is revealed through the Vedic literature. The Vedas explain things in a different way. E.g. matter and consciousness both exist and are described as being different from each other and having certain interactions. The interaction between matter and consciousness is made possible by one Supreme controller, God.

What is our understanding of the world in which we live? Yes, there are atoms that are the smallest building blocks of this world. The Vedas, however, describe the atoms in different way. The main elements of the atom are: ether, air, fire, water and earth. This is very similar to that understanding of the scientists in the Middle Ages. They tried to understand the material world according to these five elements. Of, course these terms do not refer to one element only. For example, "fire" does not refer just to the flame of a candle but also to heat, light and even electromagnetism, the digestion fire etc. All these are in the same category of fire.

The material elements are combinations of these five basic elements (ether, air, fire, water and earth). Now, in how many ways can the five elements combine? The calculation is 5x4x3x2x1=120. There are, in this way, one hundred and twenty combinations, this is identical with the number in the periodic table of elements used by chemists. Since I was at school the Dmitri Mendeleev's periodic table has changed a lot. The total number of possible elements enumerated in his table is almost hundred twenty. Not all of them are discovered (the total so far described is 111) but according to the Vedic scriptures - in the real physics - there are in total one hundred and twenty material elements. By the different combinations of ether, air, fire, water and earth, different types of atoms are generated like hydrogen, helium etc. So, all elements originate in the combination of these five primary elements. All these elements are categorised as gross material elements.

The ability of gross matter to react depends on the presence of another factor since nothing can combine by itself or nothing can happen of itself. This important factor is consciousness. Consciousness is completely different from matter. Let us explain this through the example of a table and the pear tree in the garden. What is the difference between the two? What is the cause of life in the tree, and why there is no life in the table? Or, how do we know that the tree is living? What is the proof that one is alive and the other is dead? The proof is that the tree is growing and so we can understand the presence of a living entity in it. So what is that living entity? What is its origin? Why do the material elements combine in a certain way? Why is the tree growing? These are all important questions for our attempt to understand the difference between consciousness and matter. So, in the table there is no consciousness, however, there is in the tree. The tree knows in which direction to grow, not crookedly but properly. He knows where the sun is therefore, it grows upward. It has of course a different level of consciousness to us, but it grows only as long as consciousness is present. As soon as we uproot the tree, the consciousness goes and growing stops.

From this example, we can see that consciousness is another element and is differentiated from them. When we study the material elements, we will always study the 120 elements and the molecules that can be generated from the interactions of these elements. However, we will not perceive consciousness in these 120 elements. For example, carbon is the most prominent element in a tree but carbon is not the source of consciousness. The material elements are not conscious...

[Shredd]

Buddha claimed to see atoms. I wanted to post something deeper but I didn't have the patience to read all of the posts. God is vibration.

[Underwaterbob]

This entire thread needs to have it's name changed: "Pretentious, Wild Speculation as to the Nature of the Universe"