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The Hidden Meaning of Christmas
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crusher_of_heads



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude,


You've got an attractive girlfriend.


I think you live in a big city.


Apart from not being Korean, you have no visible deformities.


GEt out and mingle, bro!
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you even read it?


I've been working on this for a few days now, but I promise you Crusher I'll go out and have a hell of a time tonight Laughing

Merry Christmas dude!
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tfunk



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this very interesting and thank you for sharing it. I know it's a forum thread but do you have any reliable references?

How did you come up with this theory?
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting. I wondered where the idea of Santa and Christmas trees came from. It was about doing a drug and feeling good. Drug use has definitely shaped many customs over the centuries and resulted in many different forms of art that would had never been done if peoples minds weren't stimulated by recreational drug use in moderation. Of course, it's better than all this heavy drinking, but it's illegal due to stupid American policy from 100 years ago when they were trying to oust the pot smoking Mexicans.


I am all for moderate soft drug use as it does stimulate your mind to think. During college, I found that small amounts of weed makes you feel better, study better, think outside the box more so, and play music better, but if you do too much, then you get lazy and hungry.

What happens if you eat too many of these mushrooms over Christmas? You turn into an elf who tastes red and green!
I never did eat shrooms so I don't know what exactly it does, but it must be a mind trip.
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
he is an anthropomorphized version of the fly agaric mushroom.

(in a Brooklyn accent) I got your anthropormphized mushroom right here.
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blaseblasphemener



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

very interesting. merry solstic, pagans.
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The obvious question is... How many of these mushies you had while working on your project?

In a side note...

I have a friend who came back from Japan a few months ago. We were talking and he said that the magical type mushrooms are legal and sold in shops in Japan. Does this happen in Korea too? I thought it was a bit weird.
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endo



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfunk wrote:
I found this very interesting and thank you for sharing it. I know it's a forum thread but do you have any reliable references?

How did you come up with this theory?



I first heard about this theory from an author and researcher named James Arthur.

Since then there have been several other books written on the subject and there are a few articles about it on the internet as well.


In addition I've also acquired some info from a few radio interviews from these same authors.

Finally, a lot of my material about the reindeer came from a Discovery Channel show about the how animals purposely alter their conscious through the use of plants.


Basically if I wanted to present this paper in an academic way I would have enough different sources to do so.
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endo



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
The obvious question is... How many of these mushies you had while working on your project?


Save for a fantastic week in Amsterdasm last year I haven't done any herb or psychoactive substances in my three and a half years in Seoul.

But I certainly did have experiences with them during my last few years in University. Life changing ones.


Most people who take magic mushrooms take the psyclocibe cubenis variety. These are quite different from the fly agaric.

I've only done the fly agaric variety once and that was an intense experience. It was somewhat out of body and the thing I remember the most, was internal dialogue I experienced while I fell into a deep sleep under the influence.

It's really difficult for people who have't done psychedelics to understand this, but those who have will.


The message of Santa is he knows who's been naughty or nice. Psychoactive substances have a way of bringing this out of you. I think all humans have this ingrained moral compass and essentially know the difference between right and wrong.

However, we can supress this as we get older.

But the psychedelic state makes this supression extremely difficult. This is why some people trip out very hard while under the influnce. In other words the psychedelic state brings out things in them (usually negative) that they've been holding down deep inside.




Quote:
In a side note...

I have a friend who came back from Japan a few months ago. We were talking and he said that the magical type mushrooms are legal and sold in shops in Japan. Does this happen in Korea too? I thought it was a bit weird.


From what I know they are not legal anymore. And they were never sold like this in Korea as far as I know.

I have heard that you can buy some "special" mushrooms at farmars markets, but I'm not entirely sure.



Lastly the fly agaric does grow in South Korea. I've seen them on Bukhansan just north of Seoul.

I've also heard that they grow in Jeju island. This can possibly explain why the ancient Chinese used to refer to these islands as "The Islands of Immortality".
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just Say No (- or Ho, Ho, Ho!)

Actually the hidden meaning is that Christmas carols glorifying Jesus, a transcendental via medium, are accepted by him and purely offered to God (Christ/Krishna) for our spiritual benefit...

Re "Santa" - in Sanskrit, santa means devotee of the Lord...
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ernie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for some strange reason, i suddenly became interested in mountain climbing... who wants to climb mount bukhansan with me?
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endo



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ernie wrote:
for some strange reason, i suddenly became interested in mountain climbing... who wants to climb mount bukhansan with me?


Just make sure you know what you're doing. The red and white ones are okay, but you need to dry them or they will make you very ill. Even dried, you will get a little sick.

There's other ones that are somewhat similar. But they will kill you. Be careful.
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mistermasan



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, the term "santa" and various permutations seem quite widespread: saint,san, santa, santo to the sanskrit aforementioned and maybe to the chinese "sheng" as in "shengren" (blessed one). not a far leap from sanskrit to the many buddhist terms exported from "india" to "china".
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Just Say No (- or Ho, Ho, Ho!)

Actually the hidden meaning is that Christmas carols glorifying Jesus, a transcendental via medium, are accepted by him and purely offered to God (Christ/Krishna) for our spiritual benefit...

Re "Santa" - in Sanskrit, santa means devotee of the Lord...


Have you ever heard of the concept of "lotusland"? It's a religious/philosophical idea that is the opposite of asceticism. Essentially through rampant hedonism you can attain an enlightened state.
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blurgalurgalurga



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My departed grandma was Swedish and she used to translate these cool kid's books for us when we were little. They were about 'tomten,' the little elvish dudes who lived on Swedish farms. They were of course invisible usually, but sometimes a little kid could catch a glimpse of one. They looked like little mini-Santa Clauses. The farmers had a tradition of leaving out a saucer of milk and some cookies for the little tackers, who would in turn help out by driving out the mean elves--trolls and the like--and occasionally helping with the chores.

The tomten wore red hats, and in some of the books we had their hats were actually amanita muscaria caps. When they had to fight they wore scale armour made of pinecone bits and helmets made from acorn caps.

I looked 'em up on wikipedia and found this interesting tidbit...

"In the 1840s the farm's "nisse" became the bearer of Christmas presents in Denmark, and was then called "julenisse". In 1881, the Swedish magazine Ny Illustrerad Tidning published Viktor Rydberg's poem Tomten, where the tomte is alone awake in the cold Christmas night, pondering the mysteries of life and death. This poem featured the first painting by Jenny Nystr�m of this traditional Swedish mythical character which she turned into the white-bearded, red-capped friendly figure associated with Christmas ever since. Shortly afterwards, and obviously influenced by the emerging Father Christmas traditions as well as the new Danish tradition, a variant of the tomte/nisse, called the "jultomte" in Sweden and "julenisse" in Norway, started bringing the Christmas presents in Sweden and Norway, instead of the traditional julbock Yule Goat."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomten
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