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Genevieve
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: Where do universities post vacancies? |
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I was a university lecturer several years ago and am looking to return to Korea from the US to work for a few years beginning either Sept. 2008 or March 2009. I don't see many university postings here. Do most universities post vacancies only on their websites or are there other forums I could check? |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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i believe most universities have already interviewed and hired for feb/march this year. u may be looking at next year.
u can find the postings for uni jobs on dave's and sometimes on http://hiteacher.com
http://www.myesljob.com (jobs seem outdated here though)
good luck! |
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soju pizza

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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In the upper-left hand corner, you'll see a "jobs" icon, which will bring you back to the first page.
On the middle left-hand side of that page, you'll see the "Korean Job Board" icon. Click on that. There are tons of university jobs there. They are far the from the best, but I don't think that they're outdated since many went up over the past two weeks, and there's still another round of hiring to come in January. But since you're looking for work in the fall or 2009, that doesn't really matter.
You can also perform a search for universities with the search function in the middle-right of this page.
This is a subject that has been done to death, so you don't need to make new threads, just do a search.
You might want to get a list of Korean universities and just go right to their webpage too.
good luck. |
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Genevieve
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Smarty. I'll clarify. I'm looking for a real university job with 12-16 hours per week and no evening/vacation university-affiliated hagwon stuff. With an MA TESOL, US K-12 teaching license, and 15 years of experience, I can afford to be choosy. |
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Rockwell Bergstrom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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As was previously mentioned, the better jobs were advertised for in October and interviewed applicants in November.
You may be qualified, but you're a bit late this semester. Look for job postings in April or May to start next September.
Good luck |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Genevieve wrote: |
Thanks, Smarty. I'll clarify. I'm looking for a real university job with 12-16 hours per week and no evening/vacation university-affiliated hagwon stuff. With an MA TESOL, US K-12 teaching license, and 15 years of experience, I can afford to be choosy. |
A good way to get help is to insult the people giving you info and to come across like a pushy, arrogant child. |
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soju pizza

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
Genevieve wrote: |
Thanks, Smarty. I'll clarify. I'm looking for a real university job with 12-16 hours per week and no evening/vacation university-affiliated hagwon stuff. With an MA TESOL, US K-12 teaching license, and 15 years of experience, I can afford to be choosy. |
A good way to get help is to insult the people giving you info and to come across like a pushy, arrogant child. |
Now, now, Scotticus. We mustn't be so hasty to judge. It's probably very stressful having to find another job so late in life.
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Genevieve fancied:
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Thanks, Smarty. I'll clarify. I'm looking for a real university job with 12-16 hours per week and no evening/vacation university-affiliated hagwon stuff. With an MA TESOL, US K-12 teaching license, and 15 years of experience, I can afford to be choosy. |
Think so, huh? Well, good luck, Ms. Quixote. An MA TESOL and 15 years under license will get you an email acknowledgement at the best universities, if you're lucky. Now if some of that teaching was done with Asian EFL learners you might have a glimmer of a hope of an interview, but only if you are very, very lucky and the stars are in their proper alignment. But if you're looking for a high-paid gig with a 4-5 course weekly teaching load at a reputable university AND no vacation work you'd better have a Ph.D in Applied Linguistics, an ABD with several years of experience at the tertiary level in EFL, or a wink and a prayer and AFS uncle named Mr. Kim. |
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Genevieve
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: Thanks, Nomadish |
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Thank you, Nomadish for taking the time to post with a couple of useful links.
FYI, I don't "have to" get another job. I am on continuing contract and must decide whether to sign on again for another year in the spring. I'm looking now to see what's out there before I decide whether to stay or leave.
My 15 years of experience includes 6 years of university teaching in Korea, where I enjoyed teaching loads of 16 and 12 hours at two top schools. Expecting a position commensurate with qualifications and experience isn't "arrogant or childish;" it's common sense. Unless the job market has changed drastically over the past few years, I do not think a PhD or ABD is a requirement for language instructors.
Thanks again, Nomadish for the job links. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Genevieve still fancied:
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Unless the job market has changed drastically over the past few years, I do not think a PhD or ABD is a requirement for language instructors. |
Think again: no genuinely prestigious Korean university hires FTs unless they have a doctoral background (although there might be the rare exception that proves the rule).
Your qualifications seem to be solid relatively speaking but if you haven't published, haven't written curriculum for the MOE or an affiliated government organization, haven't conducted in-service teacher training, haven't taught grad students, and/or don't have a background in SLA, you won't get the plum jobs. And that is the way it should be, I think. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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To the person that goes by stevemcgarrett:
Does putting people down make you feel better? I always looked up to people who had qualifications such as yours and never thought of them as internet trolls like you.
One would think that achieving a certain educational status would also bring some humility and also that that person wouldnt hop around on an internet forum acting like a child.
You need a reality check sir. You are not Steve McGarrett. You have a name. And you ought to be ashamed of that name up until this point.
The internet age does not excuse people who are supposed to be our educators and have the credentials to do so to be acting the way you do. |
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Genevieve
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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[quote="stevemcgarrett"]Genevieve still fancied:
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Unless the job market has changed drastically over the past few years, I do not think a PhD or ABD is a requirement for language instructors. |
Think again: no genuinely prestigious Korean university hires FTs unless they have a doctoral background (although there might be the rare exception that proves the rule).
English departments do like to hire PhDs if they can get them, but English programs for freshmen do not expect PhDs, even at elite schools in Seoul. I know because I taught at two of them and was on the hiring committee at the second. At the first university, many of our instructors held MAs in subjects other than English or TESOL. There is only one PhD holder on staff at the second university, and most of the language instructors aren't ABDs, haven't published, done teacher training, or anything else noteworthy. I did do teacher training for Korean elementary school teachers while I was there and have participated in a number of professional development workshops and conferences back in the States.
Thanks for taking the time to share your perceptions, McGarrett. The real Steve McGarrett, Jack Lord, was my first entertainer heartthrob as a kid. I have a fetish for longish haired Asian men, which I think I acquired from watching the show.
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makemischief

Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Location: Traveling
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: |
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^ Absolutely correct.
While department jobs prefer PhDs, they can't always get them by any means (even at the "prestigious" schools- assuming we mean SKY and the like here).
Genivieve used the term language instructor-
For language instructors (usually labeled instructor in the contract, rather than professor) even the SKY uni's don't require or often even advertise for PhDs.
these would be those 12 hour nice salary jobs too.. they for sure aren't the nicer Phd only 6-8 hour a week jobs, but they are nevertheless none too shabby  |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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makemischief wrote: |
^ Absolutely correct.
While department jobs prefer PhDs, they can't always get them by any means (even at the "prestigious" schools- assuming we mean SKY and the like here).
Genivieve used the term language instructor-
For language instructors (usually labeled instructor in the contract, rather than professor) even the SKY uni's don't require or often even advertise for PhDs.
these would be those 12 hour nice salary jobs too.. they for sure aren't the nicer Phd only 6-8 hour a week jobs, but they are nevertheless none too shabby  |
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soju pizza

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Don't mean to be a smarty-pants, but if you have 15 years-plus experience, six in Korea, M.A. TESOL, hiring committee experience, teacher training, certified back home, along with such particular requirements, shouldn't you be able to locate this information by drawing on your experience, with the search function, or by using Google?
By creating a new thread entitled "where do universities post vacancies?"
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I was a university lecturer several years ago and am looking to return to Korea from the US to work for a few years beginning either Sept. 2008 or March 2009. I don't see many university postings here. Do most universities post vacancies only on their websites or are there other forums I could check? |
aren't you really just being obtuse?
Or are you just creating a thread for the sake of creating a thread?
In which case, I recommend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0NiX2srZ1g |
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