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[Junior]

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[Justin Hale]

Hitchens on religion (towards the end of part 2):

"They (the religions) are all equally rotten, false, dishonest, corrupt, humorless and dangerous. I would have certainly said in the 1930s that the Catholic Church was the most deadly organization because of its alliance with fascism, which was explicit and open and sordid, but I would not now say the Pope is the most dangerous of authorities. There is no question that Islam is the most dangerous religion and partly because it doesn�t have a Papacy that can tell it to stop something, but I still have to say that Judaism is the root of the problem. They have the belief that one part of the globe is holier than another. No belief could be more insane, irrational and indecent. Just a few of them holding that view and having the power to make it real (inc settlers destroying the Al Aqsa Mosque in Palestine, which it is their dream to do) is enough to risk a civilizational conflict, a conflict civilization could lose. I think we�ll be very lucky if we get through this conflict without a nuclear exchange."

[Kuros]

Ha ha, that Hitchens quote sounds like the_peel posting drunk!

[thepeel]

Man, I could only dream to post that well when drunk. Or sober. But I sure as hell agree with the content.

For those of you interested, Hitchens has a new books he edited out called the Portable Atheist. It is a collection of essays from the last several hundred years. Well worth the 25$.

[pkang0202]

Evolution is just a theory. However, some people have a habit of turning this "theory" into "Law".

[seoulunitarian]

[JMO]

[Justin Hale]

Another great Hitchens quote:

"�why religion poisons everything�..something very poisonous to human societies and human relations is the fear of freedom, the wish to be slaves, the wish to be told what to do, the adoration for strong, brutal and cruel leaders. Religion is the reification of the base human need to be a serf. Ask yourself if you really think it is true that there is a celestial dictatorship that watched over you from the moment you were born (actually, from the moment you were conceived), all through life, night and day, knew your thoughts, waking and sleeping, could in fact convict you of thought crime � the absolute definition of a dictatorship (can convict you for what you think, for what you privately want), that monitors you like this, under permanent surveillance and control and supervision�..and, doesn�t even let go of you when you�re dead, because that�s when the real fun begins.

My question is this: who wishes that that were true? Who wants to live the life of a serf in a celestial North Korea? I�ve been to North Korea. I am one of the few writers who has. In fact, I�m the only writer to have been to all three Axis of Evil countries. North Korea is the most religious state I�ve ever been to. I wondered as a kid what it would be like praising God all day long � well, now I know! Because North Korea is a completely worshipful state. It�s set up only to do that, for adoration. And it�s only one short of a trinity. They have a father and a son � the Dear Leader and the Great Leader � and the father is still the President of the country even though he�s been dead for 15 years. Kim Jong-il, the little one, is only the Head of the party and the army. The father is still the Head of the state, so in North Korea you have what we might call a necrocracy. So, just one short of a trinity � father, son, maybe no holy ghost, but they do say that when the birth of Kim Jong-il took place, the birds of Korea sang in Korean to mark the occasion.

Crucially, in North Korea, they don�t threaten to follow you after you�re dead. You can leave North Korea and get out of their hell by dying. Out of the Christian and Muslim one, you cannot.

This is the wish to be a slave and in my view it poisons human relations".

From this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sD0B-X9LJjs

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