Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Far Right American Email: Canada's Health Care System
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ersatzredux



Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Same as it ever was, same as it ever was

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Good question Reply with quote

Kuros,

Since I happen to be on the executive of Friends on Medicare, the advocacy group that stopped the Alberta government's attempt to ram two tier healthcare through cold, I might be able to add some additional perspective on this.

There are indeed problems with the Medicare system that are roughly similar across the country, though more acute in provinces like Alberta where an intentional effort was made to undermine the system, especially in Calgary where the regional health authority is dominated by privatizers who want to get in on the groundfloor and become fabulously wealthy. These problems stem from years of chronic underfunding, rising prescription drug costs, and a shortage of medical personnel, especially doctors willing to work in smaller communities, and certain specializations- part of a stupidly misguided attempt in the last decade to limit costs by limiting medical graduates, as well as the monopolies on certification by self interested medical associations who want to keep foreign doctors driving taxis in Toronto and so make them jump through often ludicrous hoops to be able to practice here. They also partly might stem from the "fee for service" model that was adopted as a compromise with doctors, a system that has the same potential for doctors valuing volume (and thus reaching for their prescription pad often before the patient even finishes talking). But this is true of the American system- outside of some HMOS- as well.

That being said, the single payer system is far more efficient and provides better overall coverage and health outcomes for half the price as the American system. As a former health insurance agent myself, I can say that you would have to be either on the take or a complete fucking idiot to assume anything else, and any insurance professional who tells you otherwise is a disgrace who does not even follow the rather minimal ethical requirements of his or her own profession. It's not even close, and private insurers really are out to *beep* you- minimizing risk is what insurance is all about, and with the pre-existing condition exclusions and other fine print , the system is designed to make sure that those that need it the most cannot get it.

Here is an account of a recent study done on the relative merits of the two systems, and I can find you plenty more, including the entire report itself, if you would like more.

The private health insurance industry is not your friend and their lobbyists are paid to lie. And that's about that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
greedy_bones



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Why is Korea ranked so low? Reply with quote

I have the national healthcare here in Korea, and I love it. I pay 50 bucks a month, don't pay for doctor visits, and pay about 3 or 4,000 for meds. Without insurance, I'd be paying something like 10,000 a visit and 20,000 for meds. I have no wait times, get great care, and have almost no problems. The only issue I have is that you can't get prescriptions for chronic conditions refilled without seeing a doctor which is a little annoying.

Korea is ranked as number 58, though.
Any thoughts on why this is?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Why is Korea ranked so low? Reply with quote

greedy_bones wrote:
I have the national healthcare here in Korea, and I love it. I pay 50 bucks a month, don't pay for doctor visits, and pay about 3 or 4,000 for meds. Without insurance, I'd be paying something like 10,000 a visit and 20,000 for meds. I have no wait times, get great care, and have almost no problems. The only issue I have is that you can't get prescriptions for chronic conditions refilled without seeing a doctor which is a little annoying.

Korea is ranked as number 58, though.
Any thoughts on why this is?


I would have no problem with a Korean style system of national insurance.

I know that American system is so full of holes that need to be fixed. The Republicans did
nothing to fix it and I think it actually got worse under their clock (I paid a lot of money in
states for not that good of care).

Korean is ranked 58 for whole other set of issues. That would have to be addressed in a new topic.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Good question Reply with quote

ersatzredux wrote:
Since I happen to be on the executive of Friends on Medicare, the advocacy group that stopped the Alberta government's attempt to ram two tier healthcare through cold, I might be able to add some additional perspective on this...

Well now there's a familiar face! Very Happy Didn't I have some long and involved arguments with you about 2 years ago, when you were under another name? If so, welcome back!! Smile
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies, everyone. I have read over all the responses and feel a lot more educated about the Canadian healthcare system.

I'm pretty sure that a public and mixed public a better system than the present American system. The private-only insurance regime throughout most of the country (there are some state exceptions) has failed US.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
Page 3 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International