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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Some Tough Choices--please help Reply with quote

As has been pointed out a number of times by ontheway and others, my education was woefully inadequate. Recently, I�ve been trying to rectify the situation by educating myself. It�s hard going. I need assistance from those with a better background and sharper reasoning skills. I hope you can help.

In my reading I�ve come across alternatives that I can�t resolve. Put on your thinking caps (tin foil or not) and advise me to the best of your ability:

Which alternative is more likely to be true?

1.
A: The threat from aliens is being abetted by human collaborators.
B: UFO�s are a deception concocted to distract us from the real threat.

2.
Aliens abduct humans in order to
A: harvest something they need from us
B: breed a race of hybrids
or C: It�s the CIA that is abducting us for mind-control experiments and they just spread the rumor that it�s aliens to distract us.

3.
A: UFO�s really do come from other planets, possibly in the Draco system
B: UFO�s were invented by the Nazis who used them to escape to a secret hideout in Antarctica.

4.
A: All the aliens are from one race.
B: As Ramtha says, there are many alien races and only some of them are malevolent.

5.
A: Aliens are evolved from plants and primarily use chlorophyll, but need something from mammals, hence mutilated cattle and human abductions.
B: Aliens are reptilians who walk up-right, appear humanoid and live on other planets as well as secret underground caverns and tunnels in Antarctica and New Mexico, among other places.

6.
A: Cathy O�Brian saw George HW Bush turn into a �lizard-like alien� BEFORE he sexually ravished her.
B: Cathy O�Brian saw George HW Bush turn into a �lizard-like alien� AFTER he sexually ravished her.

7.
Pope John Paul I was murdered after only 1 month because he was going to reveal the 3rd Secret of Fatima by
A: the Masons
B: the Jesuits

8.
A: The branch of the secret world government run by REPTILIANS operating from the caverns below Mount Archuleta near Dulce, New Mexico is the more dangerous.
B: The branch of the secret world government run by HUMANS operating from the caverns below Stapleton International Airport in Denver is the more dangerous.

9.
A: 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush Administration.
B: 9/11 was an attack by the Islamic Order of Assassins on the Knights Templar and the Masons.

10.
MJ-12 was a committee of 12 military leaders and scientists set up by Truman. The letter Truman wrote about this group that was given to Eisenhower and other related documents were sent from Albuquerque to Jaime Shandera, a film producer and received December 11, 1984. Among other things, the documents reveal that James Forrestal committed suicide because of the horrible truth the MJ-12 knows. One document says the government entered into negotiations with the aliens (from Roswell, New Mexico) on April 30, 1964 and concluded in 1971. In the deal, the US gets alien technology and the aliens were given permission to mutilate cattle and temporarily abduct humans who would be implanted with tracking and mind control devices, posthypnotic suggestions, and sometimes used as guinea pigs in genetic engineering and cross-breeding experiments (jointly with the CIA) and occasionally killed. The aliens did not abide by the restrictions in the treaty. The aliens� behavior was so repugnant that in 1979 a battle took place in the underground caverns near Dulce, New Mexico where 66 soldiers were killed.

A: The revelation of these documents was an attempt at whistle-blowing.
B: The revelation of these documents was an attempt at disinformation.


Thanks for your time and any assistance you can give me. Saving the world alone is too difficult.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had never heard of Cathy O'Brien before!

Wikipedia wrote:
O'Brien claims that, as part of Monarch, she was forced to serve as "a top-level intelligence agent and White House sex slave" with West Virginia Senator Robert C. Byrd working as her handler for the latter part of her time in the program. She states that she remained in the program until 1988 when she was rescued by Phillips, who she claims is a former CIA operative.

...Forced to partake in satanic sadomasochistic child pornography movies produced for Gerald Ford (born Leslie Lynch King Jr.), she was eventually sold to the CIA, which was looking for traumatized children for their mind-control program ... U.S. Presidents Ford, [and many other world leaders] all sexually brutalized her. She recounts in graphic detail how the elder George Bush raped her thirteen year old daughter and how she was forced to have oral sex with Illuminati witch Hillary Clinton ... While being sodomized, whipped, bound and raped, O'Brien overheard the globalist elite planning a military coup in the United States and conspiring to usher in the satanic New World Order.


"White House sex slave?" O'Brien was forced to go down on Hillary Clinton, "an Illuminati witch?" Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Ya-ta Boy. Perhaps it might displace JFK and molton steel for a time.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps it might displace JFK and molton steel for a time.



Oh, if only that were so. One sad fact I've learned in my recent reading is that a conspiracy doesn't really go out of style, it just gets absorbed into yet another layer of the grand superconspiracy.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A mod I was chatting with recently - not on this forum - told me a large number of public issue discussion boards he knows about are regularly visited by "conspiracy buffs" (his words) nowadays. He's not quite sure how to respond to them...he said as long as they don't resort to spamming or other rule-breaking, most mods generally leave them alone.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Had never heard of Cathy O'Brien before!

Wikipedia wrote:
O'Brien claims that, as part of Monarch, she was forced to serve as "a top-level intelligence agent and White House sex slave" with West Virginia Senator Robert C. Byrd working as her handler for the latter part of her time in the program. She states that she remained in the program until 1988 when she was rescued by Phillips, who she claims is a former CIA operative.

...Forced to partake in satanic sadomasochistic child pornography movies produced for Gerald Ford (born Leslie Lynch King Jr.), she was eventually sold to the CIA, which was looking for traumatized children for their mind-control program ... U.S. Presidents Ford, [and many other world leaders] all sexually brutalized her. She recounts in graphic detail how the elder George Bush raped her thirteen year old daughter and how she was forced to have oral sex with Illuminati witch Hillary Clinton ... While being sodomized, whipped, bound and raped, O'Brien overheard the globalist elite planning a military coup in the United States and conspiring to usher in the satanic New World Order.


"White House sex slave?" O'Brien was forced to go down on Hillary Clinton,
"an Illuminati witch?" Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Ya-ta Boy. Perhaps it might displace JFK and molton steel for a time.


The Stepford Whores:
Project Monarch and Mind-Controlled Sex Slaves

http://tracyrtwyman.com/blog/?page_id=81

http://www.ask.com/web?q=project+monarch&search=&qsrc=0&o=0&l=dir
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Michelle



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Hi... Reply with quote

Oh, I watch the X-files,too. I can't tell you whcih options are correct. I guess it's a problem with our cellective education...but more TV ought to give us the answers.

Listen to Mulder..the truth is out there...but do you expect to find it on Daves?..

Razz
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regicide



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
A mod I was chatting with recently - not on this forum - told me a large number of public issue discussion boards he knows about are regularly visited by "conspiracy buffs" (his words) nowadays. He's not quite sure how to respond to them...he said as long as they don't resort to spamming or other rule-breaking, most mods generally leave them alone.


Here we go again with MOS taking the position of the sensible one. " A mod I was chatting with recently." Sickening. Very sickening.

Not quite sure how to respond? MOS has apparently not heard of Freedom of Speech. I guess if it was up to him , that right would be suspended.

Freedom of speech is the concept of being able to speak freely without censorship. The right to freedom of speech is guaranteed under international law through numerous human rights instruments, notably under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, although implementation remains lacking in many countries.

Continue to believe in your magical bullets and the dignity of mainstream media , MOS.

We know you do this because you think it the right thing to do, so we forgive you.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here we go again with MOS taking the position of the sensible one.


He wouldn't have to if you ever did it (wrote something sensible).
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
Here we go again with MOS taking the position of the sensible one.


He wouldn't have to if you ever did it (wrote something sensible).


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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

regicide wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
A mod I was chatting with recently - not on this forum - told me a large number of public issue discussion boards he knows about are regularly visited by "conspiracy buffs" (his words) nowadays. He's not quite sure how to respond to them...he said as long as they don't resort to spamming or other rule-breaking, most mods generally leave them alone.


Here we go again with MOS taking the position of the sensible one. " A mod I was chatting with recently." Sickening. Very sickening.



MOS was discussing trends in message board posting. I should think that a message board moderator is someone whose observations on that topic would be of some relevance.

Quote:
Not quite sure how to respond? MOS has apparently not heard of Freedom of Speech. I guess if it was up to him , that right would be suspended.


I don't see how you get that from his post. Even if(and I say "if") MOS thinks that a certain viewpoint should be banned from the forum, that's not a free speech issue. No one has an inalienable right to post on a particular forum. You are free to go to another forum, or start your own.

And like I say, I don't even see that MOS was calling for banning in his post.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm...peel and regi, regi and peel. A match made in heaven.
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
A mod I was chatting with recently - not on this forum - told me a large number of public issue discussion boards he knows about are regularly visited by "conspiracy buffs" (his words) nowadays. He's not quite sure how to respond to them...he said as long as they don't resort to spamming or other rule-breaking, most mods generally leave them alone.


You realize a conspiracy is when two or more people plan a crime, right?

And, what would the mod do? Ban people for not accepting official conspiracy theories, ie. government reports. They are, by definition, conspiracy theories too.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You realize a conspiracy is when two or more people plan a crime, right?


Why do you insist on mixing 'legitimate' conspiracy with crack-brained conspiracy theories?

Either:
a) everyone but you knows the difference, or
b) you know the difference but want to slip in and hide under the cover of real conspiracies.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Why do you insist on mixing 'legitimate' conspiracy with crack-brained conspiracy theories?

Either:

a) everyone but you knows the difference, or

b) you know the difference but want to slip in and hide under the cover of real conspiracies.


OR ...

c) The truth is well beyond the parameters of TWO simple-minded possibilities.
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

regicide wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
A mod I was chatting with recently - not on this forum - told me a large number of public issue discussion boards he knows about are regularly visited by "conspiracy buffs" (his words) nowadays. He's not quite sure how to respond to them...he said as long as they don't resort to spamming or other rule-breaking, most mods generally leave them alone.

Here we go again with MOS taking the position of the sensible one.


Thank you.
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