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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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I see Venezuela and Bolivia have already established diplomatic ties with the new nation.
I'm sure Nelson mandela and all the freedom-loving nations will soon follow.
Long live the real America.
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Yes, I know from personal experience that Indians are hard-working, fair-minded, well-educated, alcohol-abuse-free, drug-abuse-free, honest people.
I'm sure they will be hunting buffalo, shooting arrows, speaking their native language, and shunning booze, drugs, tv, radio, supermarkets, internet and wal-mart in no time.
It'll be the days of wine and roses for these noble people any time now. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I know from personal experience that Indians are hard-working, fair-minded, well-educated, alcohol-abuse-free, drug-abuse-free, honest people.
I'm sure they will be hunting buffalo, shooting arrows, speaking their native language, and shunning booze, drugs, tv, radio, supermarkets, internet and wal-mart in no time.
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pkang0202
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I'd say let the Lakota secede. Give them separate passports. And then, you instill strict VISA regulations so that the Lakota can't step foot into US soil until they go through proper immigration channels.
Now, businesses in the Lakota land will fail. If its an autonomous country then mom and pop's convenience store can't buy goods from the Walmart down the street because of tarrifs and taxes.
I'm sure land prices in the "Lakota Country" will plummet once its no longer part of the US. Once that happens, the US will happily buy back the land at a steep discount. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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why would businesses there fail at a rate outside the norm? the opportunities are huge and limitless.
yeah, it would be funny for the US to build a fence around the Lakota Republic since the US has done so well with mexico.
if i had a million to invest i would start making tractor trailers there. always in demand, honest work and they have a good central location. yellow freight is nearby as is KC (the future hub of north american transit). |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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why would businesses there fail at a rate outside the norm? the opportunities are huge and limitless.
yeah, it would be funny for the US to build a fence around the Lakota Republic since the US has done so well with mexico.
if i had a million to invest i would start making tractor trailers there. always in demand, honest work and they have a good central location. yellow freight is nearby as is KC (the future hub of north american transit). |
The only way it could succeed is the way Indians have been successful in the last 100 years, which is to operate businesses that are illegal in the rest of the U.S.A., as they have done with gambling operations.
Hey, all power to them. I know in Calgary, the Indian reserve on the West side of town has just opened a $50-100 million casino. The proceeds will go to buying houses for band members. The cost of each house will be approx. $250,000, and they will start with building 150 houses. By the way , there are 1,500 band members living on 250 sq. km of some of the choicest land in North America. This land borders Calgary to the West and runs all the way to the Rocky Mountains. The value of this land if it were allowed to be sold would run in the billions of dollars. Not bad for 1,500 people. As it is though, most of land lays fallow, as the Indians do not farm it. Instead, they live in old army housing that is on the land, but the housing has been condemned due to anasbestos scare.
This community, along with countless others, is plagued by alcohol and drug abuse, high crime, rampant spousal and child abuse, fetal-alcohol syndrome, high drop-out rates, and little to no hope for those who choose to stay on these welfare-states.
Unless, that is, they can get non-Indians to set up shop on the reserves, through casinos, brothels, whatever.
The whole system is so beyond ludicrous to me. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
This community, along with countless others, is plagued by alcohol and drug abuse, high crime, rampant spousal and child abuse, fetal-alcohol syndrome, high drop-out rates, and little to no hope for those who choose to stay on these welfare-states. |
A general feature of...
Aboriginal reserves in Australia
Formerly of townships in S.Africa
Run down council estates in England
and indeed the 2nd class citizens of every country.
Its not uniquely tied to American Indians, just a symptom of an oppressed underclass that is not in charge of their own destiny, or empowered by self-determination.
None of these problems would exist if native peoples had been embraced into society and treated as equals from the get go. The time bomb in S Africa already exploded. Other countries have their judgement days yet to come. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
This community, along with countless others, is plagued by alcohol and drug abuse, high crime, rampant spousal and child abuse, fetal-alcohol syndrome, high drop-out rates, and little to no hope for those who choose to stay on these welfare-states. |
A general feature of...
Aboriginal reserves in Australia
Formerly of townships in S.Africa
Run down council estates in England
and indeed the 2nd class citizens of every country.
Its not uniquely tied to American Indians, just a symptom of an oppressed underclass that is not in charge of their own destiny, or empowered by self-determination.
None of these problems would exist if native peoples had been embraced into society and treated as equals from the get go. The time bomb in S Africa already exploded. Other countries have their judgement days yet to come. |
Well, I would hardly call getting financial support from the government that is more than double their percent of population: GDP, including free university, free prescription drugs, free glasses, dental, as "oppressed". As well, reserves in Canada have their own governing bodies. The problem is, as can be expected, corruption. so, the government money doesn't find it's way equally to all band members, and, there is commonly gross mismanagement of funding. As well, we are talking about mulitiple generations of under-educated, fetal-alcoholic, sexual abused people with no opportunities for employment on their "nations". So, the culture is to sit around the trailer all day and get high or drunk, or watch TV/play video games.
Quite a recipe for success in the 21st century. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Well, I would hardly call getting financial support from the government that is more than double their percent of population: GDP, including free university, free prescription drugs, free glasses, dental, as "oppressed".. |
South Africans said the same under Apartheid. "We gave them jobs, education etc..blah bllah".
White Australians say the same "We give the abos everything..TV's even build houses for them" etc.
But it still doesn't run. Don't you see the problem here. The colonisers first annihilated them, then erased their culture. Then separated them out to live on a plot in the desert somewhere.
To slake their guilt they then give them TV sets and everything is supposed to be OK. Do you see a pattern here? Its the same in Oz, an aboriginal can't get a job in his own country.
This is just not what the human spirit aspires to. People want to be masters of their own destiny. Respected. They want their culture valued, they want their own land, country, identity, security, pride and self determination before they can then meet and mingle as equals.
All the free handouts are just patronising. People want to make it on their own, in a system they devised, not as disadvantaged fringe participants in a system forced on them.
They were quite Ok living as they did before. But you removed their ability to support themselves and live independently. You cut off their food source for one. 60 million buffalo and prairie dogs slaughtered for fertiliser in a century eliminated Indians ability to feed themselves and be self sustaining. It was a mass genocide.'
I think allowing them independence a few centuries later is just about the least you can do now. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
Well, I would hardly call getting financial support from the government that is more than double their percent of population: GDP, including free university, free prescription drugs, free glasses, dental, as "oppressed".. |
South Africans said the same under Apartheid. "We gave them jobs, education etc..blah bllah".
White Australians say the same "We give the abos everything..TV's even build houses for them" etc.
But it still doesn't run. Don't you see the problem here. The colonisers first annihilated them, then erased their culture. Then separated them out to live on a plot in the desert somewhere.
To slake their guilt they then give them TV sets and everything is supposed to be OK. Do you see a pattern here? Its the same in Oz, an aboriginal can't get a job in his own country.
This is just not what the human spirit aspires to. People want to be masters of their own destiny. Respected. They want their culture valued, they want their own land, country, identity, security, pride and self determination before they can then meet and mingle as equals.
All the free handouts are just patronising. People want to make it on their own, in a system they devised, not as disadvantaged fringe participants in a system forced on them.
They were quite Ok living as they did before. But you removed their ability to support themselves and live independently. You cut off their food source for one. 60 million buffalo and prairie dogs slaughtered for fertiliser in a century eliminated Indians ability to feed themselves and be self sustaining. It was a mass genocide.'
I think allowing them independence a few centuries later is just about the least you can do now. |
But they already have pseudo-independence, at least in Canada and the U.S. In fact, they don't want full independence, because the reserves they live on are completely unsustainable. The clock can't be turned back 150 years ago.
Independence is only viable if Indians were living on the land they lived on 150 years ago, but guess what, that ain't ever going to happen.
Good luck Lakota, I see a bright and prosperous future ahead of you, as long as there are lots of gamblers willing to give you their money. You're location is a little isolated though. Too bad Manhatten isn't in your back neck of the woods. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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I thought some of you would enjoy the comments from the Stormfront White Nationalist Community website: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/sitting-bulls-people-break-away-446110p6.html
It sounds kind of similar to what has been written on this thread.
by Ekklesiatic
I find this all quite laughable. Indian tribal "government" is just as corrupt, if not more so than, our own government. Russell Means, who is a red nationalist and racist (what that might mean), has very little standing except within his own little group. This plan of his may have legs, but the Feds are not going to let them secede sections from several states.
While their ideas may have several things in common with our ideas and goals, look at the way MSM treats them. I don't think MSM quite knows what to think of them. But the MSM isn't calling them a bunch of "racists" for wanting to preserve their culture and heritage as they do us.
As for anyone, White that is, that wants to join their little slice of utopia once it is separated, dream on. Living with indians in an indian self-governing country would be a living hell for any non-indian. Think about it. Do you really think they would allow any non-indian representation in their country? (Not that we really have any in our own.) I've lived on a reservation for 15 years and I've seen a lot concerning how they govern and treat others outside the tribe.
by Boomstronk
It's not their land; it's the USA's land. We let them live there in relative freedom on the condition that they respect the fact that it is USA territory. If they don't, that's a violation of our sovereignty and we can take it back with force.
by HammerOfTours
There is no 'USA land' strictly speaking - there is Federal land that belongs to the Feds as long as the State it's on is in the Union. The areas you're speaking of belong to the States in question, in the end - but it is true that it was the homeland of the Lakota people long ago. There are relatively very few people in the region we're talking about. And I think that they could be bargained down to accept a smaller area - how about western North Dakota, for example? I think it's a great idea, myself. Why should Indians be ruled by others - by the Feds? Why should any of us? What good have the Feds done in the last half century? In the South, they haven't done anything at all good for 150 years. The people I know have nothing but contempt for their government. Most people I know support the Lakota plan. A homeland for their people might help us all break free. It's very nationalist thinking, as opposed to the current Neo-Con imperialism that is so popular in some circles.
All peoples should have a homeland.
by CassandraAdams
I understand some of the sentiments expressed, re: the break-up of the USA.
The thought of running off to join the Lakota may be very appealing - but [it's] very misplaced. Indians may want us for number-purposes - but you will find that Indians do NOT want to align with Whites - as they know we will overwhelm them again. We would be relegated to serving them - and which one of us would settle for that?We are White. Whites have always chafed under servitude. We make lousy slaves.
I think we need to do what we are doing - creating our lives, forging ties, and expanding racial awareness. And biding our tme. Events are accelerating...........let's allow the non-Whites to do some work for us, for ONCE. Allow these various other Races to break up the soveriegnity of the USA. They will tolerated, far more than we, because to impede the craziness of Non-Whites will always be painted as "racist". We are always prevented form seceding - too dangerous. No-one takes the non-Whites seriously. Let the Non's gain some legal status. Let them ESTABLISH a racial homeland. Then - who can justify the White secession, and desire for a homeland? At this point, ALL of us HERE know that MOST Whites do not think racially, and have NO clue as to their own peril. Let the Herd be exposed to the horrors committed by the Non's - they need a lot more education in the reality oof "diversity". |
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Julius
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I thought some of you would enjoy the comments from the Stormfront White Nationalist Community website: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/sitting-bulls-people-break-away-446110p6.html
It sounds kind of similar to what has been written on this thread.
by Ekklesiatic
I find this all quite laughable. Indian tribal "government" is just as corrupt, if not more so than, our own government. Russell Means, who is a red nationalist and racist (what that might mean), has very little standing except within his own little group. This plan of his may have legs, but the Feds are not going to let them secede sections from several states.
While their ideas may have several things in common with our ideas and goals, look at the way MSM treats them. I don't think MSM quite knows what to think of them. But the MSM isn't calling them a bunch of "racists" for wanting to preserve their culture and heritage as they do us.
As for anyone, White that is, that wants to join their little slice of utopia once it is separated, dream on. Living with indians in an indian self-governing country would be a living hell for any non-indian. Think about it. Do you really think they would allow any non-indian representation in their country? (Not that we really have any in our own.) I've lived on a reservation for 15 years and I've seen a lot concerning how they govern and treat others outside the tribe.
by Boomstronk
It's not their land; it's the USA's land. We let them live there in relative freedom on the condition that they respect the fact that it is USA territory. If they don't, that's a violation of our sovereignty and we can take it back with force.
by HammerOfTours
There is no 'USA land' strictly speaking - there is Federal land that belongs to the Feds as long as the State it's on is in the Union. The areas you're speaking of belong to the States in question, in the end - but it is true that it was the homeland of the Lakota people long ago. There are relatively very few people in the region we're talking about. And I think that they could be bargained down to accept a smaller area - how about western North Dakota, for example? I think it's a great idea, myself. Why should Indians be ruled by others - by the Feds? Why should any of us? What good have the Feds done in the last half century? In the South, they haven't done anything at all good for 150 years. The people I know have nothing but contempt for their government. Most people I know support the Lakota plan. A homeland for their people might help us all break free. It's very nationalist thinking, as opposed to the current Neo-Con imperialism that is so popular in some circles.
All peoples should have a homeland.
by CassandraAdams
I understand some of the sentiments expressed, re: the break-up of the USA.
The thought of running off to join the Lakota may be very appealing - but [it's] very misplaced. Indians may want us for number-purposes - but you will find that Indians do NOT want to align with Whites - as they know we will overwhelm them again. We would be relegated to serving them - and which one of us would settle for that?We are White. Whites have always chafed under servitude. We make lousy slaves.
I think we need to do what we are doing - creating our lives, forging ties, and expanding racial awareness. And biding our tme. Events are accelerating...........let's allow the non-Whites to do some work for us, for ONCE. Allow these various other Races to break up the soveriegnity of the USA. They will tolerated, far more than we, because to impede the craziness of Non-Whites will always be painted as "racist". We are always prevented form seceding - too dangerous. No-one takes the non-Whites seriously. Let the Non's gain some legal status. Let them ESTABLISH a racial homeland. Then - who can justify the White secession, and desire for a homeland? At this point, ALL of us HERE know that MOST Whites do not think racially, and have NO clue as to their own peril. Let the Herd be exposed to the horrors committed by the Non's - they need a lot more education in the reality oof "diversity". |
Really, it does? Can you be more specific, Red Herring man? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| I just love people who quote an entire post and then add only one line of something new at the bottom. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| I just love people who quote an entire post and then add only one line of something new at the bottom. |
Okey-dokey, red herring... |
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Kuros
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I see Venezuela and Bolivia have already established diplomatic ties with the new nation.
I'm sure Nelson mandela and all the freedom-loving nations will soon follow.
Long live the real America.
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The real America has horses and guns, though, I see.
Its all about integration and assimilation. Trade and cultural contact is irresistable. |
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