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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
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The Washington Post is and has been a Democratic Party mouthpiece for several decades. So any op-ed article from them must be read with a jaundiced eye. But then you knew that, right?  |
So the Democrats have not been holding these phantom sessions to avoid Bush making recess appointments then? Can you name any newspaper in the US which has an exactly unbiased viewpoint? Do you see significant differences between Republicans and Democrats? Is it because you cannot quibble with the substance of the post that you choose instead a peripheral issue to attack? |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| You all forget Iran is at war with us. |
They are? Did Bush do that, too, while Congress was out on recess? I must have been, too, or I didn't get the memo on this. |
Dude, Iran has been at war with us since 1979. Where have you been? I take it you don't get out much. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Misleading title.. recess appointments are hardly a subversion of the Constitution, they're specifically allowed in it. If the president chooses to employ them instead of fighting for Senate confirmation, that can be viewed as an abuse/misuse of the power, but far from unconstitutional. |
technically, I'll have to agree with you on that, but I think the Founding Fathers meant for that option to be used when an appointment was needed and Congress just happened to be out of session, and not to purposely wait until they were out of session to use it to get people in who would not have been confirmed by them.
Would it have been better if I said he is only trying to subvert the spirit of the Constitution? |
Or when the senate refuses to take an up or down vote on a nominee.
This is obstructionist politics. Simply say no to the President and move
onto the next nominee how hard is that to accomplish. Leaving a post
vacant is counter productive at the least and obstructionist in reality. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| This is obstructionist politics. |
You say this as if it's a bad thing. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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THIS IS AN URGENT ACTION ALERT:
S 1959 "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" must be stopped.
Pick up your phone today and contact your US Senator's office to instruct them to vote "NO" on S.1959.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Full PDF text of the bill:
http://...com/3a3y2z
If this bill is passed, and becomes law, your words and actions could be considered terrorism. S 1959 EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH, and empowers the govt. to declare ANYTHING they deem an "extremist belief system", instantly make you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court.
Contact your Senator and let them know they will be looking for another job if they vote yes on this bill, which is now introduced into the Senate as S.1959 THIS BILL **MUST NOT** BECOME LAW, PERIOD.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959
If this becomes law, your words could be considered "promoting an extremist belief system", and all they have to say is that you are using PLANNED OR THREATENED *FORCE* (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VIOLENCE) --FORCE by exposing CORRUPTION, CRIMINALITY against "THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES, *****OR ANY SEGMENT THEREOF" READ THE BILL MANY TIMES AND VERY CAREFULLY--YOU ARE THE TERRORIST (WHICH MEANS THEY CAN STRIP YOUR CITIZENSHIP, AND HAVE YOU TORTURED AND EXECUTED).
Senate is back in session today, do not hesitate, call, fax, email your Senator ASAP.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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THIS IS AN URGENT ACTION ALERT:
S 1959 "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" must be stopped.
Pick up your phone today and contact your US Senator's office to instruct them to vote "NO" on S.1959.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Full PDF text of the bill:
http://...com/3a3y2z
If this bill is passed, and becomes law, your words and actions could be considered terrorism. S 1959 EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH, and empowers the govt. to declare ANYTHING they deem an "extremist belief system", instantly make you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court.
Contact your Senator and let them know they will be looking for another job if they vote yes on this bill, which is now introduced into the Senate as S.1959 THIS BILL **MUST NOT** BECOME LAW, PERIOD.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959
If this becomes law, your words could be considered "promoting an extremist belief system", and all they have to say is that you are using PLANNED OR THREATENED *FORCE* (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE VIOLENCE) --FORCE by exposing CORRUPTION, CRIMINALITY against "THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES, *****OR ANY SEGMENT THEREOF" READ THE BILL MANY TIMES AND VERY CAREFULLY--YOU ARE THE TERRORIST (WHICH MEANS THEY CAN STRIP YOUR CITIZENSHIP, AND HAVE YOU TORTURED AND EXECUTED).
Senate is back in session today, do not hesitate, call, fax, email your Senator ASAP.
Click here for your Senators contact info:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm |
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For the actual bill go here
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4/19/2007--Introduced.
Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add provisions concerning the prevention of homegrown terrorism (terrorism by individuals born, raised, or based and operating primarily in the United States).
Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to: (1) establish a grant program to prevent radicalization (use of an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically-based violence) and homegrown terrorism in the United States; (2) establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States; and (3) conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.
Prohibits the Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights, and civil liberties, of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.
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Don't take the guy with the guitar too seriously. There is nothing in this bill about revoking citizinship or even torture. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| This is obstructionist politics. |
You say this as if it's a bad thing. |
I'll have to agree with Ya-ta on this one. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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What is sad, is that there are many (not all) Democrats that actually WANT the US to look bad (Al Gore going to Indonesia and blaming all their problems on the US) and WANT the US to fail not only in Iraq, but in the world.
Why? Only so that they can have power on capital hill and that it will make Bush look even more bad.
Thats it.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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What is sad, is that there are many (not all) Democrats that actually WANT the US to look bad (Al Gore going to Indonesia and blaming all their problems on the US) and WANT the US to fail not only in Iraq, but in the world.
Why? Only so that they can have power on capital hill and that it will make Bush look even more bad. |
The US has looked pretty bad for decades before Al Gore ever went to Indonesia, regardless of who was in power. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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US Senate stays in session to block Bush
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071224/pl_afp/uspoliticscongress;_ylt=Avel_1fzRO430P3Uw2UNQhth24cA
Mon Dec 24, 2:23 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US Senate is holding special one man sessions throughout Christmas and the New Year to prevent President George W. Bush from making appointments without the approval of the Democratic majority.
With the bang of a gavel, Democratic Senator Jim Webb declared the first session open on Sunday morning before closing it seconds later, without any of his colleagues present in the hall.
The brief ceremony will be repeated every two to three days until January 18, when lawmakers resume their work after the Christmas and New Year's holidays.
The Democratic majority is staging the move to avoid any formal recess for Congress extending over several days. A recess would allow Bush to appoint ambassadors, judges and other top posts without seeking a Senate confirmation for his nominations.
Bush has previously used his authority to avoid drawn-out political battles with Democratic foes over controversial nominations, including that of foreign policy hawk John Bolton who was named in 2005 as Washington's UN ambassador during a congressional recess.
Bolton stepped down last December, just before the Democrats assumed control of Congress. The "recess appointments" can last up to a year.
Webb, who is expected to convene four of the 11 scheduled pro forma sessions, said it was crucial that nominations be vetted by the senate.
"Presidential nominations for important positions within the Executive Branch should be carefully considered and debated before the Senate in order to ensure that the most qualified individuals are serving the American people," Webb said in a statement. |
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