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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
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 Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:41 pm Post subject: Man pretty. |
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There was an interesting editorial in the Times yesterday. It's about men wearing makeup, but it's launched some interesting discussions about men and women, the idea of beauty, and Korean society.
According to the article, the men seem motivated to wear makeup not to please women, but to keep their jobs.  |
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oldfort
Joined: 09 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| The more gender lines blur, the more people will scramble to find their identity. |
I wonder...I would think that, if more choices were visible, less guys would scramble. Explore, maybe, but not scramble.  oh, okay, they might scramble to the revlon counter....
Anyway, I found the article very interesting, especially its tone of slight dismay. Maybe the author is gloomily anticipating his future Botox/lipstick use. I can see his point somewhat--it can't be pleasant to be forced to do that stuff to keep one's job, and most guys maybe aren't used to that obligation just yet. (I could be wrong about that, though).
Very interesting leap of the author's thought, though, from skin care/age-removing proceedures to wearing lipstick and touching up foundation in pairs. Is it really about looking PRETTY-GIRLY instead of YOUNGER? Is he feeling overly-threatened, or are the two closer than I think?
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For instance, a ``color lotion���� with the brand name Man Holding a Flower, which hit the market last year, surprised even the product��s maker with $4 million in sales for the first six months. Its success was partly owed to the football star that modeled for its TV advertisement. |
This is a hair lotion, not for skin, right? Just curious.
Gee, peppermint, you really got me thinking! Thanks for the link.
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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I think the author was simply mocking the idea of men's makeup being a necessity, when he talks about going to put on foundation in pairs, because it's such a feminine habit.
My students said that color lotion was konglish for foundation, or tinted moisturizer. It's definitely a skin product of some sort. |
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oldfort
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the author was simply mocking the idea of men's makeup being a necessity, when he talks about going to put on foundation in pairs, because it's such a feminine habit. |
Yeah, I guess I was seeing more space between the lines than there really is... and I didn't really hear that muffled wail of manly distress either.....
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| My students said that color lotion was konglish for foundation, or tinted moisturizer. It's definitely a skin product of some sort. |
Wow. I don't wear foundation myself, but won't deny the guys their own, but that's interesting that sales were better than expected. Marketing it with a (presumably rugged) footballer, that's savvy. Thanks for the info.
I'll be looking verrrrrrrrry closely at Korean male complexions when I arrive in Dec 
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Some of this stuff is pretty funny though.. like this one:
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| Many men remember with some humor their young days of curiosity when they sneaked into the room of their mother or sister to try out their cosmetics. Now, they have grown up to be adults and face an era where men wear makeup openly. |
I certainly never did this.. but apparently the author certainly seems to have.. funny..
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An Internet survey showed that it would not be that strange for middle-aged men in their 40s and 50s to wear colorful makeup after five to 10 years.
Even 17 percent of the male respondents said they are willing to use lipstick for men if such products become available. |
This is also funny.. 17% would wear lipstick? Why lipstick? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Lipstick? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Marketing it with a (presumably rugged) footballer, that's savvy. Thanks for the info. |
The ad is intensely homoerotic. Not rugged in the least.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
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oldfort
Joined: 09 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, geez (laughs) guess I'll have my eyes opened for sure, when I get there. Thanks. |
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Zed
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Wow. I don't wear foundation myself, but won't deny the guys their own, but that's interesting that sales were better than expected. Marketing it with a (presumably rugged) footballer, that's savvy. |
Presumably rugged...................exactly. The TV ads that I saw didn't make either one of these guys look rugged in the slightest. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, geez (laughs) guess I'll have my eyes opened for sure, when I get there. Thanks. |
Ah.. its not Thailand or even the Philippines. In korea.. the guys are definetely guys and the girls are definetely girls. Well, in appearance.. its very obvious.
Strangely at a bar.. its the girls who freak out when you touch them and the guys that rest their hands on your knees.
But anyhow.. its really really obvious who is who.. no crossdressers like southeast Asia to try to figure out. Not even close. Women are very womanly.. and men are very manly. Even Japan its crossed a bit more.. but Korea.. its very black and white.. very man and woman.
I guess thats why its so weird to watch TV and see an otherwise cool and masculine guy sporting lipstick.. |
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