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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: Korean: How helpful is it? |
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I have to admit I've done a super duper job of avoiding the langauge of this country for the most of my stay here. I know most of the Korean alphabet and I can even pick out a couple of words in every couple of sentences that I hear. When kids talk to me I can pretty much tell from context what they want. I'm suscessfully being an ignorant North American!
I can live pretty comfy inside my bubble, but sometimes I kind of wished I had put in more of an effort. Take what happened last Monday. There's a restrauntant in my school building that I go to a couple of times a week. I always order the same thing so most of the time I don't even have to speak. (Nice actually) but Monday there was a another person on. Now I managed to order what I wanted in Korean rather well and I was sitting at a table waiting for my order to go. I always take my order to go and the regular person knows this. She was in the back taking care of something else. Once my order was finished the person asked me if I was eating in. (I understood this from context) Then it hit me I have no idea how to respond to this. I mistakenly told her that I was eating in, but I had no real way outside of using English to explain that I had made a mistake. Luckily the other person finished what she was doing and corrected my mistake for me.
I left there thinking. "Hey Korean would have been really helpful." it wasn't a big thing but it kind of woke me up.
So to those who took the time a effort to learn the langauge, how helpful is it? |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Location: On your computer screen.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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If you do put more into studying, good for you but I think you have to go into it with the right attitude.
For example, I studided Korean for one year at uni before I came and have kept up the study pretty well since I've been here (TOPIK level 3 passed) but ironically it seems the more Korean I learn the more I find that almost everyone I meet can already speak some English and that they dont want to speak in Korean with a foreigner. Whereas my non-Korean speaking friends are always running into situations where there was some misunderstanding about something due to their lack of Korean. So for me I've pretty much decided that learning Korean at the level I am is no longer about utility but just about having a hobby for its own sake- like collecting stamps, or learning the piano. That way I won't be disappointed about not getting much of a chance to use it and get all bitter and twisted like a certain red vegetable who frequents this site (just kidding tomato ). |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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On Christmas Eve I was headed out with my friend to a western-style bar, near a Lotte Mart. We got in a taxi.
Friend: 'WA Bar?'
Driver: 'Uh?'
Me: 'Wa Bar juseyo? Lotte Mart juseyo?'
Driver: 'Eh?"
Me: 'Urinin Lotte Mart gasaeyo'.
This went on for a minute, with my friend and I trying to pronounce these two names every possible way - Lottae Marta, Wa Balr, Rottae Maltah, Loddae Marteh, etc.
Finally I asked for a pen and paper and wrote down LOTTE 마트 and we were finally on our way. This is not in a big city; it's barely big enough to have a Lotte Mart and passengers must regularly ask the driver to take them there.
After experiences like that, I just have to wonder if getting plastic surgery and changing the colour of my skin would be more useful than trying to learn more Korean in terms of making myself understood. |
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jinks

Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It really grips my shit when cab drivers will not understand simple directions to MAJOR landmarks. However, I have hit on a cure for this seemingly wilful misunderstanding of foreigners' rendition of Korean in taxi-cabs. Here's how it goes: jump into a cab as it is pulling off a busy rank, ask to go to Chosun-Ilbo building, or Gyeong-dae buk-mun, or Costco or wherever. When the cabbie displays extreme comprehension problems, jump out of the cab and get another taxi - actually you don't need to get another cab, because when the cabbie realises he has been sitting on the rank for forty minutes and he is about to lose his fare - he will suddenly understand. It is weird, but it works. |
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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In essence you asked him to "give" you the bar...juseyo is often mistaken as a the equivalent of please by us when we speak Korean...
But, that particular driver seems to have been a bit dense.
As for the OPs' question:
How useful is knowing Korean?
In my experience extremely useful. It changes everything, from how you live here to what you can do and how you see things.
Many people do like you did OP: the live in a bubble and seem to be content with it. To each his own and learning a new language is not for everyone. Some just do not see any motivation to do so. If you take a person planning to be here for say 1-2 years...typically, the motivation to learn would be low and influenced by the fact you can pretty much function on a mininal level with basic key sentences. |
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SarcasmKills

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
On Christmas Eve I was headed out with my friend to a western-style bar, near a Lotte Mart. We got in a taxi.
Friend: 'WA Bar?'
Driver: 'Uh?'
Me: 'Wa Bar juseyo? Lotte Mart juseyo?'
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The thing is, you asked him to GIVE you LotteMart and WaBar.. not take you there... would be a bit of an "uh?" moment for anyone don't you think? |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing is, you asked him to GIVE you LotteMart and WaBar.. not take you there... would be a bit of an "uh?" moment for anyone don't you think? |
Yep....think about it Yum.
Some foreigner steps into a cab in Toronto and in broken English asks: Give me the Neon Pub.
You could not fault the driver for going: What??? or Pardon? |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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i think a driver would understand exactly what you meant! when we call someone on the phone we sometimes say "give me ___"
many of our sentences are not literal, and a little common sense goes a long way... korean cabbies are not the best with directions... i gave a map IN KOREAN to a place that was within a few kilometers, and 2 cabbies didn't understand! the third typed it into his GPS and figured it out... christ! just let ME drive... |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry ernie but WA Bar juseyo would at the very least provoke hesitation in a cabbie....
But, this particular driver seems to have been a bit dense...he could have paused for a sec and then figured it out. It seems he either could not or would not. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
After experiences like that, I just have to wonder if getting plastic surgery and changing the colour of my skin would be more useful than trying to learn more Korean in terms of making myself understood. |
Last week I was drinking soju with my taekwondo master and a friend of his. His friend had never met a foreigner and was thus extremely fascinated. He kept asking me questions in Korean. I'd start to answer them (in Korean) and he'd freak out and start hitting Master on the arm, "What is she saying? What?"
Master and his wife were both getting really annoyed. "Listen to her! She's speaking Korean!"
I know that Master and his wife are especially good at understanding me because they're used to my (North Korean!) accent, any weird mistakes I make, etc. BUT this man was just clearly NOT understanding me because he couldn't believe I was speaking Korean. At one point Master said to his friend, "Can't you speak Korean!?"
It's happened again and again to friends and me. It's the WORST if I'm out with Koreans. I ask for something in a restaurant and they totally ignore me in favor of the Korean. My boyfriend has gotten to the point where he'll say, "She spoke Korean."
Although, funnily enough, a few weeks ago I was out with three people: Korean boyfriend, white American girl, black American girl. My boyfriend ordered for everyone and the waitress was really confused. He tried again and she still didn't get it. I said it and she suddenly understood. Then, she kept talking to me.
THAT was weird, too.
BUT these events really are the minority--OP, you're asking how helpful it is? In your case, since you happily lived in | |