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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="endo"][quote="ernie"]for some strange reason, i suddenly became interested in mountain climbing... who wants to climb mount bukhansan with me?[/quote]
Just make sure you know what you're doing. The red and white ones are okay, but you need to dry them or they will make you very ill. Even dried, you will get a little sick.
There's other ones that are somewhat similar. But they will kill you. Be careful.[/quote]
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| ernie wrote: |
| for some strange reason, i suddenly became interested in mountain climbing... who wants to climb mount bukhansan with me? |
Just make sure you know what you're doing. The red and white ones are okay, but you need to dry them or they will make you very ill. Even dried, you will get a little sick.
There's other ones that are somewhat similar. But they will kill you. Be careful. |
the only way to be sure is to join me! |
You'll probably have to wait for the first rains of spring  |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Here's a delayed response to an earlier question: I think it's more likely that rampant hedonism would lead to a more hellish state - and perhaps an animal (or mushroom) body.
There are many animals better equipped for (and less inhibited about) sex. Whatever our mind is absorbed in at the time of death determines our next birth.
A druggie might have to be born to a drug-addicted mother.
Then again, there are superior types of intoxication on heavenly planets, but after enjoying great sensual pleasures for up to 10,000 years, one usually falls back down to earth.
Getting intoxicated here is not the prescribed way to get to a heavenly planet, though - austerity, charity, and sense control are more helpful...
Anyway, Merry Christmas ... |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Here's a delayed response to an earlier question: I think it's more likely that rampant hedonism would lead to a more hellish state - and perhaps an animal (or mushroom) body.
There are many animals better equipped for (and less inhibited about) sex. Whatever our mind is absorbed in at the time of death determines our next birth.
A druggie might have to be born to a drug-addicted mother.
Then again, there are superior types of intoxication on heavenly planets, but after enjoying great sensual pleasures for up to 10,000 years, one usually falls back down to earth.
Getting intoxicated here is not the prescribed way to get to a heavenly planet, though - austerity, charity, and sense control are more helpful...
Anyway, Merry Christmas ... |
This is comming from a devote to Krishna right?
You got to be kidding me!
Hinduism is littered with sexual and drug references.
Your meidation techniques are simple a tool to achieve the psychedelic state, although granted by a much slower means.
Which isn't that bad considering if one truely desires to reach these estatic states, then they should be as prepared as possible.
But the quest for this third eye state of being is essentially a means of reverting to the psychedelic states achieved by the Bhraman priests in the early stages of the cult of Hinduism some 3000 years age.
Do you know anything about Soma.
And you must be aware of the similarities between Krishna and Jesus (virgin brith, from a royal lineage, large pieces of his early years unknown, similar deaths=betrayel & sacrifice, ect...)
There both the same character, yet interpreted in slightly different ways to suit their particular culture.
And......well I'm getting way off topic
I save this debate for another thread. |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Very interesting indeed. What I want to know is how the tradition came down from the north to the rest of society? When did it happen and how? |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Here's a delayed response to an earlier question: I think it's more likely that rampant hedonism would lead to a more hellish state - and perhaps an animal (or mushroom) body.
There are many animals better equipped for (and less inhibited about) sex. Whatever our mind is absorbed in at the time of death determines our next birth.
A druggie might have to be born to a drug-addicted mother.
Then again, there are superior types of intoxication on heavenly planets, but after enjoying great sensual pleasures for up to 10,000 years, one usually falls back down to earth.
Getting intoxicated here is not the prescribed way to get to a heavenly planet, though - austerity, charity, and sense control are more helpful...
Anyway, Merry Christmas ... |
I don't want to sound abusive and mean, but I especially dislike that particular version of the reincarnation, uh, theory: namely, the notion that people get born into terrible situations because of something they did 'wrong' in a past life.
It strikes me as an invention of the Brahmin to justify their wealth, and to keep the Dalits down in the gutter. "Don't try to rise up now, you filthy untouchable, or you'll be reincarnated as a dung-beetle." |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Faunaki wrote: |
| Very interesting indeed. What I want to know is how the tradition came down from the north to the rest of society? When did it happen and how? |
I'm honestly not entirely sure.
I mean the thing with the Shaman, his/reindeer, the sled, Christmas tree, ect.. likely originated in northern Russia and Scandinavia and then spread south into the rest of Europe.
Likely amongst various Pagan groups who used these tales in their celebration of the Winter Solstice.
Then as Christianity spread across Europe, they began to adopt some of these pagan beliefs. They did this becase it would be easier to convert the local populations, and some of Christianities beliefs actually mesh with their pagan counterparts.
I read somewhere (can't find the soure right now) that the Church used to place the Eucharist on the tree prior to ordamnets.
The Eucharist being a placebo for the dried fly agaric mushroom.
So as Christianity adopted the Christmas tradition (and used figures like Saint Nicholas) ti spread these traditions as it expanded across the globe. |
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browneyedgirl

Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: The Hidden Meaning of Christmas |
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THE HIDDEN MEANING OF CHRISTMAS
The purpose of this thread is to show the fascinating and even shocking roots behind Santa Claus and the Christmas tradition.
So what exactly are these roots?
What if I told you that many of the symbols, icons, and language associated with Santa Claus and the Christmas tradition came directly from a drug? And not just any drug, but a psychoactive mushroom known as the fly agaric.
Would you believe me?
Well it�s my aim with this thread to do so.
But first I need to present to you a bit of background information to better put my argument into context. So please bear with me as this information is necessary in order to understand the wider picture |
The meaning and symbols of Christmas have pagan roots and were adopted by the Catholic Church in order to convert the pagan people to the church. The World Book Encyclopedia agrees with me, yet it mentions nothing about drugs... |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but does the World Book Encyclopedia go into detail about the meaning of these Chrsitmas symbols?
How many literature courses would go into the drug symbolism behind books like Alice in Wonderland?
This is still a new field......you know what I mean? |
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Chicoloco

Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Location: In the ring.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Hats off to Endo, a very well written piece. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Well, he gives a very distorted representation of Hinduism by focusing on the most ignorant and corrupt elements of a very broad grouping of diverse belief systems.
In the higher Vedic conception religious faith can be analyzed according to the three modes of material nature: goodness, passion, and ignorance.
Religious followers in the mode of goodness worship the Supreme Lord, and they follow regulative principles that lead to material detachment.
Religionists in the mode of passion worship demigods (or powerful humans) for material gain, and there is more intoxication and sex - but less spritual progress.
In the mode of ignorance people perform impure animal sacrifices and sometimes worship ghosts, spirits and ghastly forms of demigods (like Goddess Kali...)
Real brahninical culture - before it was corrupted by caste brahmans - was based on these four pillars of good religion: austerity, mercy, cleanliness. and truthfulness.
Austerity is destroyed by intoxication, mercy is destroyed by unnecessary animal slaughter, cleanliness (especially of the mind) is destroyed by illicit sex, and truthfulness is destroyed by gambling.
Whatever "spiritual" visions, altered states of consciousness, or phantasmagoria gotten through pyschedelic drugs are temporary phenomena at best.
The exhilarating or ecstatic feelings are very fleeting and often result in greater anxiety and depression upon re-entry to "normal" consciousness.
Speaking from firsthand experience, I vaguely recall thinking what I thought were the heaviest, most profound thoughts in the world (while tripping on acid) and I excitedly jotted them down.
When I eventually crash-landed to "normalcy" and saw what I'd scribbled down in my state of "heightened awareness" I was baffled at how such stupid jibberish had seemed so brilliant to me when I wrote it...
I was later more satisfied with the steady, permanent progress toward "the reservoir of all pleasure" I made while a full-time Krishna devotee (from 1974 - '86)
Even when old friends and (in the mid '70s) many stoned strangers offered me assorted drugs when I distributed Krishna books at concerts, I had no trouble renouncing them in favor of mantra meditation.
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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rumdiary

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Also that guy who uses a mushroom for his avatar. He once made a post spanning several pages linking Santa Claus to Amanita Muscaria mushrooms. That one needs to be bumped in time for Christmas. |
That would be endo.
Thread in question
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=108772 |
haha. rad. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Korean shamans and soothsayers used mushrooms. In the late 80"s they used to be sold in a market in Korea, a very large herbal market. i bought them for almost nothing. There used to be quite a few of the shamans and magicians running around Korea. I have seen a few ceremonies. probably still some in small towns. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| From what I've read, drug use in initiatic traditions is degenerate. Think of it this way: if shrooms were the key to enlightenment, every inner city would be a font of transcendent wisdom. |
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