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Craven Moorehead

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Kubrick certainly stands out in the pantheon of great Western directors, but his clinical approach to all things sexual renders films such as Lolita and Eyes Wide Shut as just that: clinical studies that lack a depth of passion. Humbert Humbert, while a deeply disturbed individual, comes across as bloodless and cold in James Mason's portrayal. Kubrick's weakest films have always had sexuality at their core, and the director maintained a focal length distance from tapping into the passion of his main characters. In these instances, I picture Kubrick giving direction in a voice eerily reminiscent of HAL 9000. And frankly speaking, while The Shining had moments of genuine creepiness, the film does not hang together that well as a whole but is continually and bombastically hailed as a "horror masterpiece", mostly because it had his name attached. However, films such as Dr. Strangelove, 2001, A Clockwork Orange and The Killing are true classics in the canon of Western filmmaking. |
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BreakfastInBed

Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Location: Gyeonggi do
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Strangely, what had kept me from appreciating Kubrick for a long time is the same thing that may be the source of my admiration for him now: what Craven Moorehead calls "his clinical approach" (though I would extend it to more than just his sexual themes). I couldn't understand the Kubrick cult of genius before, and I'm not totally confident I do now, but after seeing more of his work and rewatching what I'd seen when I was younger, I do stand in awe of him. The clinical detachment I feel as a viewer of Kubrick's films used to leave me cold, but now I feel it is a sign of respect toward the audience and often engenders a host of otherwise undetetectable ironies. Forgive me for sounding pompous and not giving examples; let me pick up the box set in the next few months and watch everything again and I'll happily geek out about it in more specific detail.
But back to Kubrick, I get the sense of a sour disposition from behind these ironies, and that's what continues to prevent me from revering him the way I do a number of other iconic directors. Perhaps this sourness is my own, but I have trouble accepting that Kubrick's films are nothing more than elaborate Rorschach tests. His detachment can be enigmatic, but it isn't meaningless, and the meanings I find I most frequently take from his films are tinged with disgust. I refuse to call this negative criticism, I think his films are brilliant and the consistency of quality found in his work may well be unmatched, but I can't love him as I love many other filmmakers in whose body of work can be found many lesser films.
I love exuberance, hence my love of Fellini, the most exuberant of directors (arguably indulgently so at times). Take a film like La Dolce Vita, by no means a happy, life-affirming tale. Its story and themes are decidedly pessimistic, yet it resists its own pessism. The whole negative experience of the film for me is undermined by the sheer exuberance of the filmmaking. Even if this is intellectually another irony, another layer of sweetness on something corrupt, pragmatically what I'm left with is a sense of immense joy in art and film and, indeed, life, and I find it infectious. |
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Craven Moorehead

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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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I think part of what makes Kubrick so deserved of icon status is his amazing sense of shot composition and vivid use of mise en scene. While I find Eyes Wide Shut and Lolita largely passionless in the sexual sense, Kubrick's eye for the shot elevates this material above the rest of the pack. For example, Adrian Lyne's Lolita with Jeremy Irons is extremely faithful to the source material, unlike Kubrick, but Lyne certainly is nowhere near the auteur Kubrick was.
I am a huge fan of Fellini as well, BIB, and your ideas of his exuberance in filmmaking undermining otherwise pessimistic takes on life are manifest in something like La Strada. His casting of Giuliana Masini was a masterstroke. Anthony Quinn's realization of his love for her when it is too late is heartbreaking. I love how all of his films incorporate so much of his life and personality in direct contrast to Kubrick's work. 8 1/2 is a prime example of this idea, even if the life of the director played by Marcello Mastroianni as Fellini's doppleganger is largely romanticized. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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watch Kubricks life story in the movie
MY LIFE IN PICTURES..
this will help you all to understand the man... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Kubrick's weakest films have always had sexuality at their core, and the director maintained a focal length distance from tapping into the passion of his main characters. |
I would argue that Full Metal Jacket had sexuality at it's core, albeit in a highly symbolized form. Think about the three female characters portrayed, and the way in which the final one is different from the first two. Think also about what is done to the final female, and the motivation of the character who does it. Then compare his motivation to the motivations that the drill sargent tried to instill in him at boot camp, through the use of hypermasculine rhetoric and training.
The gender dynamics of the final scene are foreshadowed by the earlier use on the soundtrack of Goin' To The Chapel And We're Gonna Get Married.
But I agree that on those rare times when Kubrick tried to treat sexuality outside of the realm of pure symbolism, as an actual emotional concern, the results fell somewhat flat. I don't think he had a talent for serious portrayals of human emotion of any sort, which is fine. With Eyes Wide Shut, it seemed that he was trying a little too hard to prove something about his abilities to portray human sexuality. But an interesting attempt nonetheless. And some of the visuals are pretty spectacular.
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BreakfastInBed

Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Location: Gyeonggi do
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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watch Kubricks life story in the movie
MY LIFE IN PICTURES.. |
I decided to take your advice and started downloading it and then said screw it and went and bought the new box set. The documentary is included and it was well worth seeing. I knew nothing about Kubrick's early life and it was fascinating. My admiration continues to grow. My overall feelings haven't changed much though and I don't find them too inconsistent with the picture of Kubrick painted by the film. Somewhere in there, or possibly among the wealth of other features included in the set, someone comments that he doesn't believe Kubrick thinks much of humanity or human beings and that is the sense I take away from his films. Doesn't make them any less brilliant, just hard to love for me.
That said, I decided to watch Fellini's Juliet of the Spirits again to compare. It's one I'd only seen once before in its entirety and I'm sad to say it doesn't hold up well, nor does it stack up well next to Kubrick. True, it isn't considered one of his greater achievements, still, being a fan, I wanted to like it a lot more than I actually did. It's filled with amazing, garish, hallucinatory images but still manages to get bogged down by the dullness of the narrative and the grudging performance of Giulietta Masina.
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| His casting of Giuliana Masini was a masterstroke. Anthony Quinn's realization of his love for her when it is too late is heartbreaking. |
Totally with you on La Strada here.
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| I love how all of his films incorporate so much of his life and personality |
I'm inclined to agree with you again, except in the case of Juliet of the Spirits. While it may be courageous in some respects, I think it suffers from its autobiographical elements and rings false in its argument. Bisexual, trisexual, whatever his preferences were or weren't, Fellini was a guy's director, and I just don't buy his take on this woman's, Juliet's, deepest, truest, needs and desires. Fellini knows men. The simple, blunt, magnificent honesty of Marcello taming his harem of women with a whip, his wife his maid, the old women sent upstairs to live apart, in 8 1/2 Fellini unabashedly (maybe somewhat cartoonishly) gives us, not misogyny, but his, and by extension many men's basest, most self-indulgent fantasy. The man's perspective by Fellini is authoritative, the woman's perspective by Fellini is melodramatic at best and a simple farcical perversion of the man's at the worst. I have a tendency to make definitive statements about things like this based on memories years old though, so now I have the impetus, and great pleasure, to return to La Strada and Nights of Cabiria to see if I agree with myself or not.
On an unrelated note, I have no idea how to attribute quotes to their authors, some quotes I see start with "so-and-so said" and then the quote follows. How do you do this? Anyway, I was quoting Itaewonguy and Craven Moorehead.
And I think Steven Soderbergh is one of the best directors working today. |
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