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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also no stopping someone from organizing thier own get-together in another city. It doesn't always have to be Seoul. Austin, if you are feeling left out, why don't you organize your own party instead of whining like a 3 year old baby.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimcheeking wrote:
If you think that a user is getting preferential treatment then talk to a different mod. I'm really only off-line friends with one user here (The_Beaver) and I have deleted or locked his posts.

I would agree. Actually I wanted to share this with Kiwiboy when he was posting, as he came pretty close to being banned (I believe) or at least he assumes he was very close because he kept pushing the lines. I was trying to tell him that we have ALL had warnings and run-ins.. just because someone eventually becomes an established poster who doesn't appear to have 'run-ins' with the mods.. its moreso that they just aren't vocal about it. Eventually you learn what you can and cannot do.. and you just respect what the mods say. If you haven't learned that or aren't aware that we've ALL received mod messages at one time or another.. then you are focusing too much on the 'woe is me' and 'everyone is picking on me' syndrom. Kind of like going to work and hearing about your co-workers problems which seem irrelevant and if she/he had the time of day to listen to yours she wouldn't be so vocal about her own all the time.

Being on a forum is like learning how to ride a bike. You get on and you do something stupid and crash into the curb and go tumbling. You can blame the curb but the curb was there for a purpose. Maybe it wasn't good for you at that moment.. but its good for the society that it exists in.

Eventually you learn to ride the bike and avoid the curbs.
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Austin



Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: In the kitchen

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:49 pm    Post subject: Excuse me... Reply with quote

Interesting why so many of you long to put words in my mouth.

Kimcheeking,

I am not whining about anything. Again, I posed a question, and what you have done is exactly what I warned about happening.

Life goes on, regardless of what happens here.
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Excuse me... Reply with quote

Austin wrote:
Kimcheeking,

I am not whining about anything. Again, I posed a question, and what you have done is exactly what I warned about happening.

What have I done that you warned about?
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Excuse me... Reply with quote

Austin wrote:
I am not whining about anything. Again, I posed a question, and what you have done is exactly what I warned about happening.

But I think there is little you can about 'dynamics of people becoming familar with each other'.

Its kind of like realizing that your new students when they don't know anyone on their first day seem to tentative and alert.. but as they become more familar they lose that.

What can you do about it? Enclose each student in a bubble and watch them so they don't talk or get familiar with each other inside and outside of the classroom. You can't. Its impossible.

It'll happen.. so to your questions.. does familiarity breed 'relationships' on some level.. wether they result in positive or negative is up to the individuals.. but familiarity does breed some kind of interactive relationship on some level or another.. familiarity can be developed online as well as offline.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimcheeking wrote:
What Tiger Beer said. I couldn't say it better. Partial List of better known posters who as far as I know have never gone to a gathering. If I missed your name I'm sorry.


  • rapier
  • bulsajo
  • whatthefunk
  • weatherman
  • matko
  • corporal
  • homer
  • poscos trumpet
  • Itaewon Guy
  • Ryst Helmut (shoosh)
  • Mokpochico
  • Trinny (whatever happened to her)
  • little mixed girl
  • Hank Scorpio


You were on a roll until you got near the end. itaewon guy, Ryst Helmut, Mokpochica, Trinny, and little mixed girl all have been to at least(and usually only) one gathering.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how could he omit Anda from the list though?? Smile.
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gajackson1



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, I can only speak for myself, and I am not speaking as a mod . . .

Back in the States, I had a regular group of hang-out buddies. Some had been friends of mine from college, and others were current or previous co-workers. They were my real-life 'community message board.' Most of the time I was working with kids (which I love), but it doesn't give a lot of opportunities for either high-brow or low-brow conversations, both of which I enjoy. Wink

Hosting barbecues, getting together in bars, attending festivals, etc. were all pretty commonplace for me. My schedule left me enough free time, and it is easy to just pick up the phone.

Welcome to Korea!!! Rolling Eyes

You lose that support network almost immediately, unless you are lucky enough to have friends already here. Yep, if you are lucky, there may be a large group of teachers for you to make friends with. Or, you may have the mindset to be able to comfortably mesh with Western-minded Koreans. But most of us felt/feel more than a little out of sorts.

The people who come to this board and stay - like almost any board - form online friendships. For a lot of us, the chance to meet offline and in person is a welcome opportunity. Hard to share a drink or a dance with someone online! (joke punchlines are usually delayed, as well).

I do agree about the Seoul thing - there are just plain a lot more teachers here. And, to that end, I have tried to encourage people to get together in other towns - esp. the bigger cities, like Daejon, Daegu, Busan (which already has a Busanweb community).

The trial run for Osan-Songtan seemed to go well - I met a few people I met before, and some new people as well. We are hoping that a lot of people south of Seoul, and those in Daejon, would consider coming up for the weekend. I'd love to see people arrange stuff in other cities, and would honestly be willing to travel, time permitting.

There have been smaller groups a lot of times before, getting together to do stuff - for the opera, for college festivals, dj shows, movies, restaurants, Club Night, etc. Now, we have a group gearing up for wrestling.

The board is a big, diverse place, and there is room here for most people. The more opportunities it provides people to interact, the better I say.

So, Matko, when are you inviting us to all stay at your place for a weekend??? Razz

Regards,

gajackson1

Austin, in all honesty - you DO have a valid point about a potential pitfall. If you have an alternative idea about member participation/conduct, I'd be more than willing to hear it. I've been at this site almost 6 years now, and this is the best I've seen things. It is a 'tinker-friendly' system, and no one has a monopoly here on good ideas.

Sincerely,

Glen
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree.. its a dynamic place open to constant change. You could look at the board by a month-by-month basis.. and see a constantly revolving door of very different and very unique major players which seem to be most involved and then either disappear or replaced by others and whatever else. No one has a monopoloy on anything.. its a free-for-all..
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Hotel Cheonan



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: Gwangju

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could settle this in Thunderdome style . . .

Two men enter, Austin, and whoever pisses him off . . .one man leaves

"Anything goes baby it's Thunderdome!"

-George Costanza
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Austin



Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: In the kitchen

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:25 pm    Post subject: Last... Reply with quote

It is disappointing that some are incapable of seeing what I have been alluding to in my original post, yet comforting to see that some of the more articulate posters have.

Kimcheeking,

You asked what you have done, so allow me to explain without fear of consequence.

People that lurk or rarely post on this site, observe the dynamics here(people can see, read, think for themselves). When a considerable number of those in power pounce on a post that they disagree with, place words in the mouth of the poster, and label the poster as a "wussy," a "whining three-year old," a "coward," etc., do you think those that actually agree with the poster dare to publicly voice their support?

Certainly, people want to avoid controversy. Moreover, they want to avoid being targeted. I do not blame them, but why do you suppose they fear to publicly voice their support?

Again, I can not be held accountable for those that wish to display their intolerance, but to blindly state that it would never impact this board is a fallacy.

A couple people have asked me to not make such a big deal about "it," but I have not been.

I have been asked to "prove it or plug it" by one, yet proof is a two-way street. I never resorted to asking the poster to "prove" that he is impartial or "plug it."

One claims that I am "flaming" by asking questions.

Again, I am making the big deal, or...
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:16 am    Post subject: Re: Last... Reply with quote

I'm going to try to pull apart Austin's words in an effort to understand where all of this comes from..

Austin wrote:
When a considerable number of those in power pounce on a post that they disagree with, place words in the mouth of the poster, and label the poster as a "wussy," a "whining three-year old," a "coward," etc., do you think those that actually agree with the poster dare to publicly voice their support?

Maybe you can identify specifically.. this generally doesn't come from the mods.. seems like you are alluding to 'feuds' between yourself and individual posters..

Austin wrote:
Certainly, people want to avoid controversy. Moreover, they want to avoid being targeted. I do not blame them, but why do you suppose they fear to publicly voice their support?

I think most take on controversy.. but occassionally not. It depends.. there have been times where I'm just about to hit the 'submit' button only to think how I might come across with my chosen words and opted not to. Its the same anytime you voice your thoughts. This applies to every aspect of real life. If I go in and say something really stupid.. my co-workers are going to call me on it. Its part of the 'social' aspect of living, breathing and interacting with people in life.

Austin wrote:
Again, I can not be held accountable for those that wish to display their intolerance, but to blindly state that it would never impact this board is a fallacy.

My perception on this one is you are alluding to specific posters.. maybe make a list of these specific posters you find guilty of this.

Austin wrote:
A couple people have asked me to not make such a big deal about "it," but I have not been.

This one is a tough one.. actually I'm probably like the mass majority that don't really have a concept of what all is going on here.. but just having it brought it up enough.. kind of brings moth to the fire.. so I'd say someone has made an issue of it and its become a 'big deal' somehow or another. No idea how or why.

Austin wrote:
I have been asked to "prove it or plug it" by one, yet proof is a two-way street. I never resorted to asking the poster to "prove" that he is impartial or "plug it."

I think this is adequate though.. some reference points to present a case. You can't claim someone is guilty of something and not have any case in point or any evidence.. the man just walks.. thats well established in the real world. There is no reason to convict anyone of some 'crime' here either lacking evidence or specifics.
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William Beckerson
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimcheeking wrote:
I happen to like Tigerbeer but he is posting BS and flaming someone like Beckerson.

I'll kick his candy ass! Wink
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austin wrote:
People that lurk or rarely post on this site, observe the dynamics here(people can see, read, think for themselves). When a considerable number of those in power pounce on a post that they disagree with, place words in the mouth of the poster, and label the poster as a "wussy," a "whining three-year old," a "coward," etc., do you think those that actually agree with the poster dare to publicly voice their support?


Austin,

Generally those in "power" only do this sort of thing when they are attacked by other users. When I say something that you do not like or agree with I am doing it with my user "hat" not my "moderator" hat. When I get involved in a thread that may potentially need moderator action (not often) I let the other mods handle it as I am already involved. This has been common practice among all of the moderators. If you are emotionally involved in a thread don't moderate it.

You see conspiracies where there are none. Why not come out to the next gathering and see for your self that everyone is human.
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimcheeking wrote:
What Tiger Beer said. I couldn't say it better. Partial List of better known posters who as far as I know have never gone to a gathering. If I missed your name I'm sorry.


  • rapier
  • bulsajo
  • whatthefunk
  • weatherman
  • matko
  • corporal
  • homer
  • poscos trumpet
  • Itaewon Guy
  • Ryst Helmut (shoosh)
  • Mokpochico
  • Trinny (whatever happened to her)
  • little mixed girl
  • Hank Scorpio


Sorry, mate...we met at a gathering (first Yellow Bar social), but for only a few seconds.

Shoosh,

Ryst
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