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Well there is no certainty in anything. But when it come to religion you are dealing with revelation and not research. The virtue of science is that it knows when to say 'we don't know'. Religion has always had great difficulty with admitting its ignorance. I also wouldn't put science or atheism on the opposite side of a coin to religion. Firstly scientists come from many different religions, yet many of these scientists agree with each other. Atheism doesn't necessarily state 'there is no god' just that we don't know and it's highly unlikely since there is no observable evidence or need for a god to explain the universe. As an atheist your disbelief is often based on things beyond observation. There's a lot less speculation in this than saying there might be a god in the darkness or a spaghetti monster under the bed. Add to this that science is testing itself continuously and revises itself far quicker than religion. Although I am often surprised when the COE or Catholic church abandon Limbo or strikes hell of the books.

[Biblethumper]

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

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[nicholas_chiasson]

[RACETRAITOR]

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[Rae]

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Thank you for that rae. I find modern scientists like Charles Townes and Ken Miller to be very interesting in the way they reconcile their faith with their work in science. That still for me doesn't negate the fact that you don't need a religious faith to discover what they did or what they know about science. You can repeat any scientific experiment without believing in a god. Also Townes faith is based more on looking for a purpose to life something many non-religious folks have found outside of faith. Still, an interesting article on science and faith.

[nicholas_chiasson]

the last two Popes haven't exactly struck me for their 'stupidity' either.

[shortskirt_longjacket]

The question isn't whether people of faith have the answer but WHY they choose to have faith.

What void are they filling?

I am not so insecure that I need to believe someone created me and has purpose for me and feeds a nebulous part of my being called my "spirituality". Where does that part, my spirituality, rest, prey tell? Is it in my brain, along with my limbic or prefrontal cortex? Is it in my heart, along with my atria and my ventricles?

What part of me longs for spiritual fulfillment? I can tell my genitals want sex, my stomach wants food, my heart wants cardiovascular exercise, my lungs want unpolluted air, etc...

Where is my spiritual organ located?

If you can point that out to me, I will entertain the idea that there is a spiritual life and then maybe I will entertain that there is a spiritual being or beings, such as god, or multiple gods.

Science is the best we got, sorry kids, it don't support anything like a god-shaped hole in our hearts, however poetic that notion might be.

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[regicide]

[igotthisguitar]

Pledging his highest loyalties to the Pope, eh?

Hmmmm ... interesting.

Won't this conflict with his solemn FREEMASON oaths?

[RACETRAITOR]

[ED209]

Now, now Regi, could be worse he could be a protestant atheist!