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Simulated Iowa Caucus: Results are in
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Czarjorge



Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You actually got up and moved to different rooms. Odd, but I suppose it would keep people who are on the fence from jumping from group to group based on who needed support.

Check the Rep Caucus thread for an humorous anecdote about attending a Dem caucus in Iowa.

As for a party platform, how about...

1. stop being pus.sies and fight for what you say you believe in. balls up ladies and gents, balls up.

2. universal healthcare, hopefully along the Canadian/English system, none of this watered down crap. sorry, obama, i break with you there.

3. withdraw from iraq sooner than later, but try not to screw it up anymore than it already is. let the generals do their jobs as none of you leaders have any recent military experience.

4. nancy pelosi is kicked out of the party. that witch is a screw up.

5. more taxes on the rich, less taxes on the poor. streamline the beauracracy, don't just tax and spend, spend smart. the reps aren't fiscally conservative anymore, now's the dem's chance to take up that mantle, and still be able to spend money on appropriate social programs.

6. cut the pork barrel crap. see point 5.

7. legalize drugs, or at least marijuana.

8. stop the idealogical wars. and avoid harmful rhetoric as much as possible. they're people, not sheep, no matter how much the baa.

9. out with no child left behind. start paying teachers a wage that is more appropriate with the investment of time it took to become one. at least 40k a year, starting. that would shut the union up.

10. speaking of unions, how about we stop breaking them. lets remember that a worker with a stake in the company is a better worker. promote a co-op system, it's the way of the future.

any others?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Odd, but I suppose it would keep people who are on the fence from jumping from group to group


I'm sure the reason was just logistics. No one room in the house was large enough for different groups to collect in.


Things I'd put in the party platform:

a. A more active Legislative Branch, to start again asserting its power in order to balance a presidency gone mad.

b. Fiscal responsibility: return to Clinton's policies to (as much as possible) capture the public's trust in this area

c. Begin paying down the federal debt. It's obscene.

d. Begin drawing down troops in Iraq. Maybe a 2-3 year time frame. (If ya just gotta have troops in the oil fields, consider Venezuela--Chavez is annoying.)

e. Investigate an economic model that provides some decent jobs between high tech and minimum wage.

f. Jump-start alternative energy sources by investing gov't funds (and if the oil patch boys whine too much, begin building that wall along the California, Arizona and New Mexico borders but conveniently run out of money before it gets to the Texas border.)

g. Declare a national holiday that requires everyone to eat burritos.

h. Some kind of national health insurance.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 2nd choice is Richardson.
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Czarjorge



Joined: 01 May 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would you call the burrito eating national holiday? Burrito Day is obvious, but lacks zazz.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What would you call the burrito eating national holiday? Burrito Day is obvious, but lacks zazz.


Yes, it does. I was thinking more in terms of declaring Salma Hayek's birthday (Sept. 2) a national day of celebration. Very Happy
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When do we see the results of our votes?

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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if it's too late, but count me in as a REpublican!

Mike Huckabee or John McCain
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Republican caucus thread is here: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=108907&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

but it's slow getting started ...

"Nowhere man" might be waiting for the Dems to finish first since he's "liberally" allowing them in the Republican caucus ...
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AOL ONLINE STRAW POLL
(Guess Which Candidate Is Blowing Em' All Away?)

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/21/straw-poll-dec-21-jan-4/?ncid=NWS00010000000001
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
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My biggest obstacle to supporting Obama's candidacy may be his supporters. Confused
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Results:

Obama: 4
Richardson: 4

If I understand Czar, that means only two delegates go on to the county convention, each representing 4 votes. (This is different from when I attended back in the 80's. Times change.)
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Results:

Obama: 4
Richardson: 4

If I understand Czar, that means only two delegates go on to the county convention, each representing 4 votes. (This is different from when I attended back in the 80's. Times change.)

Interesting about Richardson.

Thanks for doing this Ya-ta Boy.

Too bad this wasn't a real thing. Actually if Richardson was much further ahead in the polls, and actually competing with the powerful three - (Clinton, Obama, Edwards), I'd seriously be considering him as well.

Interesting results.
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the caucus rules are convoluted and get tweaked on a far too regular basis. I was talking to my Dad, I'm staying at his house so I'll caucus with him, and at the last caucus the people 'running' it didn't even know how to calculate the votes and assign delegates/numbers. I'll report in after the caucus to let you know how it went here.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll report in after the caucus to let you know how it went here.


Please take notes and report back. It would be interesting to hear an inside account.



Tiger,

Richardson is at 15% as second choice according to the Rasmussen Poll (story in the Iowa Caucus thread). It's a good sign. I have (mild) hopes that his numbers will surprise some people and light a spark under his campaign.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the candidates (and awareness of them) were burger places. Clinton is clearly McDonalds, Obama is Burger King, Edwards is Wendys, and Richardson would be the equivalent to California's In-and-Out Buger - very regional and if you know it, you'll love it, if you don't know, you just stick with your McD's and BK's generally.
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