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waterbaby

Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm not going to wade in where others have already been and said it better than me .... but I will add that I find it much easier to write those "slap on the wrist" tsk tsk PMs to people I have met through gatherings than those I don't know. I feel that I can appeal to people on a personal level rather than coming across as a cold note from a stranger. People I know (99% of the time) respond to PMs really well.
When it's a poster I know personally and something about them is under moderator discussion or review, I refrain from commenting and abstain from voting but always offer to write & send the PM to them.
BTW - There are TWELVE of us moderating ... (someone mentioned 10 somewhere)... |
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kimcheeking Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:38 am Post subject: |
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waterbaby wrote: |
BTW - There are TWELVE of us moderating ... (someone mentioned 10 somewhere)... |
You're both wrong... it's Eleven I just counted |
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waterbaby

Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:47 am Post subject: |
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kimcheeking wrote: |
waterbaby wrote: |
BTW - There are TWELVE of us moderating ... (someone mentioned 10 somewhere)... |
You're both wrong... it's Eleven I just counted |
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ratslash

Joined: 08 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:57 am Post subject: |
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good post.
austin, dude, lighten up man! you write good stuff when you can understand half of what you mean (glad Tiger Beer broke down the last lot of stuff you wrote ), and i'm sure the mods do what kimcheeking said, and wear different hats when they have to do different tasks, or at least try to.
i've never met anyone on this forum, i never receive unpreferential treatment, but then again, i don't i think i write anything controversial.
anyway, why do you, anyone, care what someone thinks or does on a bulletin board? i know some people make this their hobby almost, but at the end of the day, in the whole scope of things, of life and everything that truly matters, what people do, say or write on this board doesn't really, honestly, matter. |
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Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: Away for a cuppa
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:02 am Post subject: |
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kimcheeking wrote: |
waterbaby wrote: |
BTW - There are TWELVE of us moderating ... (someone mentioned 10 somewhere)... |
You're both wrong... it's Eleven I just counted |
Doesn't Dave Sperling count as an unofficial moderator seeing as he's the admin?
11 and a half?  |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:40 am Post subject: |
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I'm quite sure theres no mod conspiracy, the moderators do seem to be reasonable & well-intentioned people, & I realize this is only a discussion forum.
Its been suggested that the operation of this board is a work in progress, so its nice to see a thread where ordinary users seem permitted to make public comment. Its not clear to me why this has been a closed option in the past.
So my question. Why the need for secrecy in the management of this board? The moderators wield considerable power here -- fall afoul of them & youre banned for life. No public hearing, no appeal, no explanation -- youre outta here. Again, let me say I presume their decisions are rational & justified, & I appreciate the civil tone they maintain here.
But. If ordinary users are kept in the dark about behind-the-scenes policies & decisions, its not surprising that there might be a perception of in-groupism & arbitrariness. Why did so-&-so disappear (he was thorny but logical) yet someone else (pointlessly stupid & offensive) continues to post?
I think if the mods decide to disappear someone, they should say so & tell the rest of us why. I might have been in the middle of a civil conversation with someone & suddenly there is unexplained silence. Likewise, when a post reads 'edited by [someone other than the OP]' I think an explanation is warranted. Why not?
I know this a private board & Dave owns it but really it effectively operates as a public forum. I think the mods want to operate things in a modern & progressive way. Why run it like a Star Chamber? |
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gajackson1

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:03 am Post subject: |
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ya kno, Schwa, there was another poster here who used to ask the same sort of questions as you. Maybe you remember him? His name was
JIMMY HOFFA
See where this is going??? Fair warning . . .
G.
(j/k, in case there was ANY doubt! ) |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:08 am Post subject: |
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schwa-For your queries, I highly recommend you check out the article that panthermodern is working on, then. It's piqued my interest, even though I haven't, uh, answered his questions yet. It'll probably explain a little bit.
Otherwise, I'm not sure how much us mods can babble. We have rules, too....-_- |
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:11 am Post subject: |
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kimcheeking wrote: |
There is also no stopping someone from organizing thier own get-together in another city. It doesn't always have to be Seoul. Austin, if you are feeling left out, why don't you organize your own party instead of whining like a 3 year old baby. |
Yep, I did it for last week....in Song-tan...thinking on having a Once More in two weeks.
Kinda like a farewell for me and the Mrs.
Shoosh,
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Zed

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Shakedown Street
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:13 am Post subject: |
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I'll see if I can make that one. I was sick all week before your last one. Never been to Songtan despite living so close. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Last... |
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Austin wrote: |
One claims that I am "flaming" by asking questions. |
Sure am. Because that's exactly what you were recently doing.
I really don't know what you expect from moderators. There was a reason for my little side note earlier about my experience with other communities: from the moment I was registered as a moderator on this board, I've become some sort of enigmatic enemy of the rebel forces that consists of the other ESL boards on the internet. I've never even had a conversation with some of these people, and another person(whom I've never met) has been harassing my LiveJournal account with what I take as more or less death threats. Because I'm a moderator! It's purely based on that logic.
I don't know what causes all this pressure on moderators on this specific message board, and I find it kind of ridiculous that teenagers on a gaming board have more respect for the people who keep the board organized than adults--teachers, no less.
It's good to question things; I totally support it, in fact, and I have nothing against you questioning something. But I don't understand what you're trying to get at.
Are you trying to say that moderators should not be allowed to interact with the other users, in an effort to remain impartial? Do I have to live in a box during my time in Korea? What happens if I work with someone else? Am I disqualified from becoming a moderator? What if there's a new teacher who comes to my school and starts posting on Dave's? Am I summarily removed from moderation status?
Do you want robots, instead of people?
I'm sure that the word censor program could be revamped to delete pretty much any controversial word in the English language, including all of its variants. That might be more along the lines of 100% impartial.
If that's not what you're implying, and you're merely asking me if I'm impartial or not, that's easy to answer. I try to be as impartial as I can be. If this was the case, you might want to invest in less convoluted posts in the future. |
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William Beckerson Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:20 am Post subject: |
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I know this a private board & Dave owns it but really it effectively operates as a public forum. I think the mods want to operate things in a modern & progressive way. Why run it like a Star Chamber? |
Because I got piles and piles of endless crap when I tried to be open about my actions when I was a mod here. And they learned from my mistakes.
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Its not clear to me why this has been a closed option in the past. |
It doesnt matter what the mods do or dont do here. They will be crapped on by everyone for it. The reason SPERLING said the matter was closed was because it took over the board.
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The moderators wield considerable power here -- |
No they dont. Site Admins do. If Sperling doesnt consider what they want him to do as valid, then he wont do it. There's only one person carrying the ass-whupping stick around here, and it aint Lemon.
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fall afoul of them & youre banned for life. |
Obviously you dont know the Gang Of Four Psychotics and the lengths they would go to in order to make this place into a crap-hole of their liking. The permaban came into existance in order to deal with them. It's an extreme reaction to some extreme people.
This is true, but then they'd have to spend all of their free time trying to turn into lawyers in order to justify their actions to us.
This isnt true. The mods give everyone a large number of chances to chill out. They all got my PM box on their speed-dials, so know this for a fact.
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no explanation -- youre outta here. |
No explanation that you get to see. But you havent been banned recently, right?
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If ordinary users are kept in the dark about behind-the-scenes policies & decisions, its not surprising that there might be a perception of in-groupism & arbitrariness. |
Like I said, no matter what they do, they'll be crapped on for it. Also, do you REALLY need to know what they are saying to such and such a user? To follow this "open policy" idea to the logical conclusion, they'd also have to post all PMs they recieve.
Quite honestly, if they work in the open, all it does is allow everyone to rubberneck when they have to step on someone. It wont help the situation at all.
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Why did so-&-so disappear (he was thorny but logical) yet someone else (pointlessly stupid & offensive) continues to post? |
"Assclown" is in the eye of the beholder.
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I think if the mods decide to disappear someone, they should say so & tell the rest of us why. |
You're right, because they need to be embarassed more when the people who dont like them email or PM them to gloat.
I've got several threads on my board that go like that, so dont tell me that it wouldnt happen.
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Likewise, when a post reads 'edited by [someone other than the OP]' I think an explanation is warranted. Why not? |
Usually, if the mod has time, they'll PM the offending party and tell them why. If it's not your post, it's simply not your business. |
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denz

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: soapland. alternatively - the school of rock!
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Last... |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
another person(whom I've never met) has been harassing my LiveJournal account with what I take as more or less death threats. Because I'm a moderator! |
are you sure it's not because of your live journal? |
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panthermodern

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Taxronto
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer:
I am sorry you to hear that you have had death threats.
So, have I.
I can understand. |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:17 am Post subject: |
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William Beckerson wrote: |
The Lemon wrote: |
. When he writes that he's "warning of the dangers of the dynamics that could be created, and how they can effect decisions", he's aiming that squarely at the moderators of this board, though he's apparently too wussy to come out from behind his euphemisms and state so directly. |
DING DING DING
Lemon has won this week's "When You're Right, You're Right" award. Please stand up and take a bow. |
NO
I won it when I pointed out in the Canadian v American women that why waste material on bikinis when you could feed starving children in Mobile Alabama |
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