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Big_Bird

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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: Re: AMERICA MORE RESPECTED THAN EUROPE AMONG AFRICANS |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Read it and weep all you leftist American bashers on this board. |
Hawaiin Cop wrote: |
So to all you anti-American crowd, let's here you explain way this survey. |
Still waiting to here us? Let's there you explain! |
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mehmeh

Joined: 23 May 2007 Location: South, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Why is this news? Are people really so blinded by anti-Americanism to realize that Europe has it's own skeletons too?
Of course Africans would look more favorably on the U.S. than Europe. All of the major European powers maintained colonies in Africa until the mid 20th century and to this day they still meddle in African politics. Moreover, a lot of today's violence in Africa can be traced to the corrupt post-colonial governments set up by the French, Dutch and English. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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mehmeh wrote: |
... Moreover, a lot of today's violence in Africa can be traced to the corrupt post-colonial governments set up by the French, Dutch and English.
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The Dutch?
Where do you rate Zimbabwe on this scale?
How many regime chnages must have taken place before it is no longer the colonial master's fault?
Do you believe that it will always be the colonial power to blame?
Do you think that the descendants of the slaves sold by Africans are now the lucky ones? |
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mehmeh

Joined: 23 May 2007 Location: South, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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errr...sorry about that, ment to say Belgium.
I'm just saying, it took America almost a century to get past it's Anglophobia. Even going into World War Two there were some Americans uneasy forming such a close relationship with England. I'm sure the same thing will be true for former colonies in Africa, especially places like Congo and Rwanda. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Julius wrote: |
I think that sentiment is being replaced by a new working relationship with China.
America brought war to Somalia. the Chinese have brought jobs, healthcare and infrastructure. |
My oh my. That is actually the most naive thing I have read in months. Incredible. |
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paquebot
Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Location: Northern Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
Do you think that the descendants of the slaves sold by Africans are now the lucky ones? |
Presumably it all depends on one's point of view. From a New York Times article published two years ago (almost to the day):
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Many Africans, meanwhile, often fail to see any connection at all between them and African-Americans, or feel African-Americans are better off for having been taken to the United States. Many Africans strive to emigrate; for the past 15 years, the number of Africans moving to the United States has surpassed estimates of the number forced there during any of the peak years of the slave trade. The number of immigrants from Ghana in the United States is larger than that of any other African country except Nigeria, according to the 2000 census.
"So many Africans want to go to America, so they can't understand why Americans would want to come here," said Philip Amoa-Mensah, a guide at Elmina Castle. "Maybe Ghanaians think they are lucky to be from America, even though their ancestors went through so much pain." |
link: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2005/12/27/international/africa/27ghana.html?pagewanted=all |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: Africa |
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Actually, China is doing a damn sight more in Africa, than the US & Europe combined.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/12622/is_chinese_investment_good_for_africa.html
And this:
"As global demand for energy continues to rise, major players like the United States, European Union (EU), and Japan are facing a new competitor in the race to secure long-term energy supplies: China. With its 2006 GDP growth hitting 10.7 percent, China is intent on getting the resources needed to sustain its soaring economy, and is taking its quest to lock down sources of oil and other necessary raw materials across the globe. With the Middle East mired in long-term instability, China has turned toward another major oil producing region whose risks and challenges have caused it to be overlooked by much of the rest of the world: Africa.
How extensive are China's oil interests in Africa?
China's voracious demand for energy to feed its booming economy has led it to seek oil supplies from African countries including Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, Angola, Algeria, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, and the Republic of Congo. The U.S. Energy Information Administration says China accounted for 40 percent of total growth in global demand for oil in the last four years; in 2003, it surpassed Japan as the world's second-largest oil consumer, after the United States. In the first ten months of 2005, Chinese official sources say, Chinese companies invested a total of $175 million in African countries, primarily on oil exploration projects and infrastructure. On January 9, state-owned Chinese energy company CNOOC Ltd. announced it would buy a 45 percent stake in an offshore oil field in Nigeria for $2.27 billion. China already has a significant presence in many African countries, notably Sudan: China takes 64 percent of Sudan's oil exports. "China is very deeply engaged in exploiting Africa's oil resources," says Elizabeth Economy, C.V. Starr Senior Fellow and Director for Asia Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations."
"Sino-African trade grew by 700 percent during the 1990s"
Source: http://www.cfr.org/publication/9557/ |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Not really that surprising.
In most places in Europe, African men are like pariahs. They walk around near homeless, completely unemployable and just try to get by by selling African trinkets and such.
At least in the U.S., Africans from Africa usually exceed very well and have a great shot at integrating with some very strong positive 'minority' laws, etc. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Re: AMERICA MORE RESPECTED THAN EUROPE AMONG AFRICANS |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
No, it's the smug former colonialists in Western Europe and Canada with their socialist naivete who do most of the shouting and whining.
So to all you anti-American crowd, let's here you explain way this survey.[/b] |
A) Who did Canada colonize?
B) Canada is not mentioned in the survey, why do you mention Canada?
C) Canada's government is Conservative, not "socialist" |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: US popular with Africans |
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let's here you explain |
Shouldn't that be hear? Oh wait... we're English teachers!! |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: AMERICA MORE RESPECTED THAN EUROPE AMONG AFRICANS |
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stevemcgarrett wrote: |
No, it's the smug former colonialists in Western Europe and Canada with .[/b] |
Canada was a colony. And to echo another poster who did they colonize?
Surely someone with a PhD should know this. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Stevie,
Did your black ex-girlfriend really break your heart that bad?
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: |
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These posts are embarrassing too.
The title sounds like someone who is making fun of Americans - as in they are so unpopular, you have to search all over the world and find that there are places out there that does indeed like Americans.
But its not a humor point, its a real fellow American trying desparately hard to prove a point that Americans are liked - embarrassing. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: The Corruption of New Labour: Britain�s Watergate? |
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mehmeh wrote: |
Why is this news? Are people really so blinded by anti-Americanism to realize that Europe has it's own skeletons too?
Of course Africans would look more favorably on the U.S. than Europe. All of the major European powers maintained colonies in Africa until the mid 20th century and to this day they still meddle in African politics. Moreover, a lot of today's violence in Africa can be traced to the corrupt post-colonial governments set up by the French, Dutch and English. |
Indeed. Here is discussion of Tony Blair by John Simkin from the UK: Over 17,000 hits!
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I have argued over the years on this Forum that Tony Blair is a corrupt politician and needs to be removed from power. Recently events suggest that we might be on the verge of discovering the exact scale of his crimes. I suspect this is not the case and will end up as Britain�s Watergate. In the sense that Nixon was forced to resign but the full account of his crimes were never revealed to the public.
Let me outline my case against Tony Blair. The story begins before Blair became leader of the Labour Party. In the past, attempts to undermine the Labour Party took place either just before or during a Labour Government. Kier Hardy was incorruptible but the ruling elite got rid of Labour�s first government, led by Ramsay MacDonald, with the Zinoviev Letter in 1924. More sophisticated methods were then used on MacDonald after that and by 1931 he was willing to completely sell-out the Labour Party.
It took many years to overcome this treachery but by 1945 the Labour Party was able to win control again. Clement Atlee was also fairly incorruptible but fellow leaders of the party were willing to accept the money of the CIA via Tom Braden and the International Organizations Division to move to the right. This created internal division in the Labour government was by 1951 it had lost its majority.
Harold Wilson was the next Labour prime minister. We now know that MI5 and the CIA began a long drawn out campaign to undermine his government. Edward Heath suffered from the same forces as he was considered by the establishment to be far too left wing. James Callaghan and Denis Healey (one of the original targets of CIA money in the late 1940s) successfully moved Labour to the right after Wilson was finally removed in 1976. Callaghan and Healey introduced monetarism that was developed by Margaret Thatcher�s period in office.
In 1986, the newly elected Tony Blair took a �freebie� tour of the United States. At the time he was a member of CND. While in Washington he announced he had changed his mind and that that the �visit had persuaded him of the value of nuclear weapons�. The intelligence services always prefer their placements to have been a former �left-winger� because they rarely move back again after they have been �converted�.
In March, 1994, Blair was introduced to Michael Levy at a dinner party at the Israeli embassy in London. Levy was a retired businessman who now spent his time raising money for Jewish pressure-groups. After this meeting, Levy acquired a new job, raising money for Tony Blair. According to Robin Ramsay (The Rise of New Labour, page 64), Levy raised over �7 million for Blair).
In an article by John Lloyd published in the New Statesman on 27th February, 1998, the main suppliers of this money included Sir Emmanuel Kaye (Kaye Enterprises), Sir Trevor Chin (Lex Garages), Maurice Hatter (IMO Precision Group) and Maurice Hatter (Sage Software).
In April, 1994, John Smith died and Blair won the leadership contest. With Levy�s money, Blair appointed Jonathan Powell as his Chief of Staff. A retired diplomat, Powell was not a member of the Labour Party. In fact, his brother, Charles Powell, was Margaret Thatcher's right hand man.
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