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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: D ick Cheney Lunatic |
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Cheney's 'remarkable' Argument
By Steve Benen
Dec 26, 2007
(Political Animal) CHENEY'S 'REMARKABLE' ARGUMENT....Over the summer, Dick Cheney solidified his legendary reputation for lunacy when he and the OVP aides rationalized his opposition to executive-branch oversight rules by deciding that he's not really part of the executive branch.
It stemmed from a bizarre fight the White House had with the National Archives' Information Security Oversight Office, a fairly obscure federal office responsible for supervising the handling of classified information. After having complied with the rules in 2001 and 2002, Cheney decided he no longer wanted to cooperate, and exempted himself from ISOO oversight.
When the OVP refused to even acknowledge the agency's requests for information, the ISOO went to the Attorney General's office, asking if Cheney's office had the legal authority to exempt itself from the executive branch. Alberto Gonzales not only ignored the questions, Cheney and his team responded by trying to eliminate the Information Security Oversight Office from existence.
J. William Leonard, head of the ISOO for 34 years, is stepping down now, and chatted with Newsweek's Michael Isikoff about the ordeal. (via Spencer Ackerman)
So how did matters escalate?
The challenge arose last year when the Chicago Tribune was looking at [ISOO's annual report] and saw the asterisk [reporting that it contained no information from OVP] and decided to follow up. And that's when the spokesperson from the OVP made public this idea that because they have both legislative and executive functions, that requirement doesn't apply to them.... They were saying the basic rules didn't apply to them. I thought that was a rather remarkable position. So I wrote my letter to the Attorney General [asking for a ruling that Cheney's office had to comply.] Then it was shortly after that there were [email] recommendations [from OVP to a National Security Council task force] to change the executive order that would effectively abolish [my] office.
Who wrote the emails?
It was David Addington.
No explanation was offered?
No. It was strike this, strike that. Anyplace you saw the words, "the director of ISOO" or "ISOO" it was struck.
What was your reaction?
I was disappointed that rather than engage on the substance of an issue, some people would resort to that...
You mean, Dick Cheney and David Addington would rather destroy a government oversight office than "engage on the substance of an issue"? They'd claim to be a fourth branch of government just to avoid compliance with a presidential executive order on handling government secrets?
You don't say.
Related: Watch the PBS documentary Cheney's Law |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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This is not very 'current'. Is there a particular reason for posting it now? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This is not very 'current'. Is there a particular reason for posting it now? |
Yata, I am not going to go ballistic here but you have a long history of doing this kind of thing. I realize there are several sections of this forum including an Off - Topic forum where many topics are more suitable. But as the sitting Vice-President of the United States, D ic k Cheney surely is a current event.
In another thread we are discussing freedom of speech and although not official-you are neither a governmental body or a moderator, you are in effect inhibiting freedom of speech by posts such as this.
Mcgarrett , by his rude posts to me and others is doing a similiar thing in his own rude way. In Stevie's case, he is trying to discourage postings about things he does not like by always jumping all over them. Little does he know that that actually encourages MORE posting by this author.
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Is his poop-u-larity among AmeriKans really at 9% ???
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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regicide wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This is not very 'current'. Is there a particular reason for posting it now? |
In another thread we are discussing freedom of speech and although not official-you are neither a governmental body or a moderator, you are in effect inhibiting freedom of speech by posts such as this.
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But Mr Ya-ta could just as well argue that you are attempting to inhibit HIS freedom of speech by making posts complaining about his posts.
Let people post what they will. If it's wrong someone will come along and correct it. And if it violates the forum guidelines then the mods will probably clean it up...if they see it and decide it needs cleaning up.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Yata, I am not going to go ballistic here |
I admire your restraint. I can only imagine what effort it cost you.
However, you will see in my post that I was merely inquiring why this piece of old news (two or three months, it seems to me) was being posted at this time. How is that attempting to supress anyone's freedom of speech? Aren't we being a little sensitive? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Well, excuse me if a CBS News article datelined Dec. 26, 2007 is not current enough for you. I guess you don't think it's important either. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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datelined Dec. 26, 2007 is not current enough |
The dateline is current, but the content is a couple of months old. I'm sure if you looked on the back pages of this site you'd find it posted.
I was asking if there was some new development in the story. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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datelined Dec. 26, 2007 is not current enough |
The dateline is current, but the content is a couple of months old. I'm sure if you looked on the back pages of this site you'd find it posted.
I was asking if there was some new development in the story. |
New development:
Cheney is STILL breaking rules. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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loose_ends wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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datelined Dec. 26, 2007 is not current enough |
The dateline is current, but the content is a couple of months old. I'm sure if you looked on the back pages of this site you'd find it posted.
I was asking if there was some new development in the story. |
New development:
Cheney is STILL breaking rules. |
That's right, and he couldn't be an English teacher in Korea with that record of his. Not one, but two or more DUI's in his early twenties I believe.
FYI: In some states in the US, the first DUI is not criminal. If you were just locked into a room and waited for someone to pick you up at the police station as it was your first offense, it was just a traffic violation that would not show up on a FBI fingerprint check. But in some states you go directly to jail and have to get bailed out. Some even have mandatory jail time on the very first offence. Clearly, that is a misdemeanor criminal offence. |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon, ROK
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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What do you have against DUIs? I mean jeez I wonder how many ole Chappaquedic (sp) Ted has? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: |
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saw6436 wrote: |
What do you have against DUIs? I mean jeez I wonder how many ole Chappaquedic (sp) Ted has? |
Saw; If you are going attempt to hurl even a small insult at someone couldn't you at least attempt to find the spelling. ( I assume you know I post a lot on the Kennedy assassination and that is where your attempted humor and insult is coming from)
But don't worry, even GOD himself is unfamiliar with what happened at Chappaquiddick Island and made up his own story a while back.
Ted has quite a history of drinking just like our current VP does. Cheney is even accused of being plastered recently when he shot someone during a hunting accident.
Anyway. My heart still goes out to Mary Jo Kopenchne and her family as a result of that tragedy since it was part of a plan to ruin Kennedy's chance for the presidency. The last souls to die were in a plane with JFK junior and I guess the family is finally wiped out.
Mary Jo Kopechne, the daughter of an insurance salesman, was born in the village of Forty Fort, Pennsylvania, on 26th July 1940. After graduating from Caldwell College for Women in New Jersey, she moved to Washington where she worked as a secretary for George Smathers and Robert Kennedy. During this time she shared an apartment with Nancy Carole Tyler, who worked for Bobby Baker*.
On 17th July, 1969, Kopechne joined several other women who had worked for the Kennedy family at the Edgartown Regatta. She stayed at the Katama Shores Motor Inn on the southern tip of Martha's Vineyard. The following day the women travelled across to Chappaquiddick Island. They were joined by Edward Kennedy and that night they held a party at Lawrence Cottage. At the party was Kennedy, Kopechne, Susan Tannenbaum, Maryellen Lyons, Ann Lyons, Rosemary Keough, Esther Newburgh, Joe Gargan, Paul Markham, Charles Tretter, Raymond La Rosa and John Crimmins.
Kopechne and Kennedy left the party at 11.15pm. Kennedy had offered to take Kopechne back to her hotel. He later explained what happened: "I was unfamiliar with the road and turned onto Dyke Road instead of bearing left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately a half mile on Dyke Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge.... The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and window of the car but have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt."
*Baker was a close associate to Johnson and linked to the first Kennedy assassination.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkopechne.htm |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: |
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since it was part of a plan to ruin Kennedy's chance |
Just how many different conspiracies do you believe in? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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since it was part of a plan to ruin Kennedy's chance |
Just how many different conspiracies do you believe in? |
One. The plan to destroy the Kennedy Dynasty forever.
And it worked, didn't it?
SINCE IT HAPPENED , IT IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, IT IS A FACT.
Which dynasty prevailed: THE BUSH DYNASTY of course:
Peter Schweizer, author of a biography of the family, has described the Bushes as "the most successful political dynasty in American history. "
Bush family
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Bush family: President George W. Bush, First Lady Laura Bush, former First Lady Barbara Bush, and former President George H. W. Bush sit surrounded by family in the Red Room (White House) on January 6, 2005, together to celebrate the senior couple's 60th wedding anniversary. Also pictured are, from left, Georgia Grace Koch, Margaret Bush, Walker Bush, Marvin Bush, Jenna Bush, Doro Bush, Barbara Pierce Bush, Robert P. Koch, Pierce Bush, Maria Bush, Neil Bush, Ashley Bush, Sam LeBlond, Bobby Koch, Nancy Ellis LeBlond, Jeb Bush, Jr., former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, Mandi Bush, George P. Bush, and Columba Bush)Originating in Orange, New Jersey, the Bush family in the 20th century became an accomplished political family in the United States, including across three generations a U.S. Senator, two Governors, one Vice President and two Presidents. Many other members have been successful bankers and businessmen. George and Barbara Bush have been married for 62 years, holding the record for the longest married presidential couple. Peter Schweizer, author of a biography of the family, has described the Bushes as "the most successful political dynasty in American history."[1] The Bush family is of English, German, Norman, Irish, and French descent.[2][3][4]
THE WINNER:
THE LOSER:
The Kennedy clan poses for a family photo in 1960. From the left: Ethel, Steve Smith, Eunice, Rose, Jean, Joe, Jack, Jackie, Bobby, Ted, Patricia, Sargent Shriver, Joan, and Peter Lawford.
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