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KOREAN vs. JAPANESE high school EFL: Any big differences?

 
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: KOREAN vs. JAPANESE high school EFL: Any big differences? Reply with quote

For those of you with EFL teaching experience in BOTH Korean and Japanese high schools, are there any big differences between the students, learning environments, curricula, administration, or testing?

Really interested in knowing your take on this.

Thanks in advance.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one? Hmmm....
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soju pizza



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MODS! Make this a sticky!
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cangel



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent 3 years at a high academic high school in Japan and I now teach at a private international (all Korean at this time) high school in Korea. I would say there are no major differences between Japanese and Korean high schools. High schools in Japan, like Korea, are separated by ability. A prospective student must take a test to enter high school. Class sizes are huge, 35-40. The Japanese school's curriculum, like Korea, particularly in the final year, is entirely designed around the college entrance exam-basically 1-year test prep. If you have any specific questions, ask.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cangel:

Thanks for the insights. (A bit off topic but just for contrast, the typical Chinese h.s. class has 45 to 65 students. Wonder if it changes the dynamics of interaction between teacher and students).

Anyway, I'll PM you.

Oh, and thanks for another look at John Candy's smile. Really miss that guy. Few have said this after his passing (and few do where comics are concerned) but from what I've read he was also a class act off the set.
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cangel



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be it Japan, Korea, or China, class size is largely irrelevant. Contrary to logic, and the majority of scholarly research, Asia tends to be teacher-centered as opposed to our western-style, student-centered approach. If all you're doing in giving a lecture does it really matter if you have 40 or 400?
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not really but I've met many (re: hundreds) of East Asian teachers of EFL that would rather not lecture or drill but feel restricted in what they can do not only by the exam system but the classroom dynamics. It's much more difficult to monitor a larger number of small groups, especially to keep them on task and the materials required and the opportunities for discoure are also limited.
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Japan, student levels are actually lower than in Korea.
My friend taught in Yokohama. They had a system setup whereby
foreign teachers rotated around to different schools.
Apparently some of the Japanese technical students make Korean technical high schools look like bliss on Earth. We're talking teachers that are scared to come out of the staffroom bad.

Girls wear very short skirts. Another friend of mine said he had a school principal who enacted a rule about skirt length...it had to be above a certain length...... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

soju pizza wrote:
MODS! Make this a sticky!


soju pizza, would you be so kind to make a recommendation to the Cybermen errrr mods to make the following threads sticky.


DON'T DO IT BOYZ

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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazyarcade contributed:

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In Japan, student levels are actually lower than in Korea.
My friend taught in Yokohama. They had a system setup whereby
foreign teachers rotated around to different schools.
Apparently some of the Japanese technical students make Korean technical high schools look like bliss on Earth. We're talking teachers that are scared to come out of the staffroom bad.

Girls wear very short skirts. Another friend of mine said he had a school principal who enacted a rule about skirt length...it had to be above a certain length


Very interesting insight; thanks.

Actually this anecdotal account confirms what recent cross-cultural research by two teams of East Asian and American educators found, namely, that in oral English performance Japanese students were last, Koreans second, and Chinese first. Socio-cultural factors contributed to the results of these massive mixed-methods studies as did the quality of the EFL curriculum. Ironic that the least developed nation economically outperforms the others but it's really a paradox when one begins to examine the causes behind this trend.

The skirt problem sounds like what the schools in Hawaii are facing. Do you happen to know why the FTs are rotated? Is it to avoid burnout or disillusionment with Japanese discipline managment?
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
crazyarcade contributed:

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In Japan, student levels are actually lower than in Korea.
My friend taught in Yokohama. They had a system setup whereby
foreign teachers rotated around to different schools.
Apparently some of the Japanese technical students make Korean technical high schools look like bliss on Earth. We're talking teachers that are scared to come out of the staffroom bad.

Girls wear very short skirts. Another friend of mine said he had a school principal who enacted a rule about skirt length...it had to be above a certain length


Very interesting insight; thanks.

Actually this anecdotal account confirms what recent cross-cultural research by two teams of East Asian and American educators found, namely, that in oral English performance Japanese students were last, Koreans second, and Chinese first. Socio-cultural factors contributed to the results of these massive mixed-methods studies as did the quality of the EFL curriculum. Ironic that the least developed nation economically outperforms the others but it's really a paradox when one begins to examine the causes behind this trend.

The skirt problem sounds like what the schools in Hawaii are facing. Do you happen to know why the FTs are rotated? Is it to avoid burnout or disillusionment with Japanese discipline managment?


Well, they got to their economic level with monolingualism. Another friend stated they, "they [Japanese] don't really take English seriously because they already think that they're way better than everyone else."
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazy_arcade wrote:
Girls wear very short skirts. Another friend of mine said he had a school principal who enacted a rule about skirt length...it had to be above a certain length...... Laughing

That's the biggest difference between Korea and Japan.

In Japan, you can easily tell the juniors and seniors, as they hike the skirt up the shortest.
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