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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| I call BS on the OP. |
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... just mind your own business I guess?
Yes, it was the hagwon that told me it had been rejected... but I'm pretty sure they're not lying to me. Although that is not something that I had considered, they've told me that they're really interested in me. I wouldn't want to risk my position by bluffing and accusing them of lying or anything like that. Hopefully they're not 
I hadn't thought of contacting my embassy either. Maybe that's a good idea, but again... I know how touchy Koreans can be sometimes, and if I can get this thing through without causing too many waves, I'd rather do it that way.
That sounded really bad... |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| I call BS on the OP. |
Given the history and credibility of Korean immigration and these hasty (and incompetent) visa changes, would you doubt that an immigration official doesn't know how to recognize an apostille from the state of Washington? |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
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| I call BS on the OP. |
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... |
I appologise if I'm wrong, but (taken together) so many things about your situation don't seem to 'add up'.
If I'm wrong, and everything has transpired the way the way you say, don't be shy - sic your embassy on them!  |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Apostille:
CANNOT be found in the Meriam-Webster Dictionary or in the Cambridge. Now, why would you expect a problem?
Here is a Wikipedia meaning...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| sic your embassy on them! |
Since when have any of our embassies ever been involved with helping us out in Korea over our disputes with Korea's immigration? In a perfect world... |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
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| sic your embassy on them! |
Since when have any of our embassies ever been involved with helping us out in Korea over our disputes with Korea's immigration? In a perfect world... |
True, but usually our disputes with Korean Immigration don't involve Korea violating international law and treaty obligations�which is exactly what they're doing if they are indeed refusing to recognize a properly apostilled document. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Apostille refused... |
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| Has anyone else had an apostilled background check be refused by the Korean immigration office? Mine was. They said that it wasn't an official apostille, which it was. After talking to my Secretary of State's office, I learned that they actually cannot refuse to recognize an apostille under the Hague Conventions without first calling the office that issued the apostille and talking to them about it. |
Korea is not bound by the rules of the Hague Convention. They did not sign it. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
| it was the hagwon that told me it had been rejected... but I'm pretty sure they're not lying to me. |
Yes, and we know hagown bosses never lie. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: Re: Apostille refused... |
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| Has anyone else had an apostilled background check be refused by the Korean immigration office? Mine was. They said that it wasn't an official apostille, which it was. After talking to my Secretary of State's office, I learned that they actually cannot refuse to recognize an apostille under the Hague Conventions without first calling the office that issued the apostille and talking to them about it. |
Korea is not bound by the rules of the Hague Convention. They did not sign it. |
Wrong. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Apostille refused... |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Khenan wrote: |
| Has anyone else had an apostilled background check be refused by the Korean immigration office? Mine was. They said that it wasn't an official apostille, which it was. After talking to my Secretary of State's office, I learned that they actually cannot refuse to recognize an apostille under the Hague Conventions without first calling the office that issued the apostille and talking to them about it. |
Korea is not bound by the rules of the Hague Convention. They did not sign it. |
Wrong. |
That's right! Korea signed. Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Convention_Abolishing_the_Requirement_for_Legalisation_for_Foreign_Public_Documents
But Canada and China did not and both countries have many language Teachers working in Korea on E2 visas. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Call up the Hague convention and get them to punish Korea for rejecting your apostille.
Would seem to be the obvious solution. You can laugh as the tanks roll in and they invade in the "apostille war". |
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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Call up the Hague convention and get them to punish Korea for rejecting your apostille.
Would seem to be the obvious solution. You can laugh as the tanks roll in and they invade in the "apostille war".
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Haha.... actually, I've never read anything about punishments for violating the treaties... I'm pretty sure there aren't any. Russia, for instance, officially does not abide by several parts of the convention. I think that all that happens is that the international community just sort of shakes its head at you... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Sounds like an episode of Star Wars.
Waygookin II: The Apostille Wars! |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Call up the Hague convention and get them to punish Korea for rejecting your apostille.
Would seem to be the obvious solution. You can laugh as the tanks roll in and they invade in the "apostille war".
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Haha.... actually, I've never read anything about punishments for violating the treaties... I'm pretty sure there aren't any. Russia, for instance, officially does not abide by several parts of the convention. I think that all that happens is that the international community just sort of shakes its head at you... |
Ask any culturally-away native American about the USA's violation of treaties and their continuing violations today. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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On the "UnitedStatesian..." thread someone posted this about apostilles from states:
One important note, the authentication page states that a foreign goverment may not accept an Apostille issued by a state. A document issued by a state government must first receive an Apostille from that state's Secretary of State. If the document is meant for a Korean official in Korea, it should then be sent to the U.S. Department of State for their Apostille.
So, you may have needed to send the apostille you got from the state of Washington to the U.S. Dept. of State for their apostille to satisfy some Korean Immigration officials ... |
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