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		| mysteriousdeltarays 
 
  
 Joined: 07 Feb 2003
 Location: Food Pyramid Bldg. 5F, 77 Sunset Strip, Alphaville
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I did the on-line alumni association thing and it seemed to make them both amused and happy. 
 I mean bam there you are in the facebook that isn't Facebook.
 
 It took what a minute to dispel  whatever doubts they had.
 
 I wouldn't think too much trouble.
 
 But then again Canadian universities often have lockers, bells and glazed cinder blocks for the walls.
 
 And for that matter people asking for hallway passes.
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		| hari seldon 
 
 
 Joined: 05 Dec 2004
 Location: Incheon
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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That's right. Unless they can point to a change in the law, they don't have a leg to stand on. 
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	  | I don't understand why, when asked for some document already provided, people do not simply respond, "Thank you, but I already have a signed contract." |  |  | 
	
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		| cbclark4 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein
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		| Mr. BlackCat 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| A lot of this really boils down to 2 prevailing traits in Korea. 
 1) Ineptitude to do the simplest thing (i.e. keeping easily accessable copies)
 
 2) Power and control
 
 For Korean managers, it's like a wet dream demading silly things from their employees and watching them sqirm and do them.  It's like multiple orgasms to do it to a lowly foreigner.  I just try to remember how pathetic my boss' life must be while I quietly and calmly let her know that I'm not jumping through hoops for her deranged power trip and utter lack of skills in the smallest details of business.  You lost the papers, or didn't plan ahead enough?  Let me be frank.  That's your problem, not mine.  Thank you!  Have a nice day!  Korea Bravo Your Life!
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		| idonojacs 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: |   |  
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		| TheChickenLover 
 
 
 Joined: 17 Dec 2007
 Location: The Chicken Coop
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I once had an employer request sealed transcripts from me during the middle of my contract.  I asked who would pay for them & he replied that I would.  I came back stating that it was inappropriate to request additional documentation in the middle of a contract once all the terms had been fulfilled at the time of signing.  I flatly refused. 
 I did however say that if they required them for a contract renewal, I would be happy to provide the needed documentation at that time.
 
 I did not budge on that position & that's what ended up happening.  I provided the documentation, but was offered a 2 year contract for another English department and took it.  They called me for a week literally begging me to reconsider (yeah..like I really would).
 
 Stand your ground on this issue.  If you provided all the needed documentation at the time you signed the contract & all parties are happy, the ONLY time you'll need to provide additional documenation shoudl be during your contract renewal period.
 
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		| agentX 
 
 
 Joined: 12 Oct 2007
 Location: Jeolla province
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2884423 
 
 
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	  | Dongguk may sue Yale over Shin-scandal gaffe December 28, 2007
 Dongguk University said yesterday that it is planning to take legal action against Yale University because of mistakes that damaged the school�s reputation in the fallout of the academic degree forgery scandal involving former Professor Shin Jeong-ah.
 Shin, who was the chief curator of Sungkok Art Museum, was hired by Dongguk in September 2005. At the time, the university asked Yale to confirm her doctoral degree in art history and received a verification via fax.
 �Associate Dean of the Graduate School Pamela Schirmeister signed a fax message on Sept. 22, 2005 that verified Shin�s degree,� Dongguk said yesterday in a press release.
 Dongguk and Shin were at the center of a scandal that began last summer as a series of accusations were made that Shin forged her academic credentials and Dongguk failed to verify the claimed degree.
 In July, Dongguk asked Yale to reconfirm Shin�s degree and Yale replied that the diploma and other documents were fakes. At the time, Yale University also told Dongguk that Schirmeister�s fax in 2005 was forged.
 Several months later, Yale sent a letter to Dongguk University to correct what it calls an inadvertent mistake. Susan Carney, deputy general counsel for Yale, wrote to Dongguk President Oh Young-kyo on Nov. 29 that Schirmeister�s 2005 fax was �authentic� and that the associate dean of the graduate school had, �in the rush of business,� sent the document.
 �Everything else that I wrote to you on July 10, 2007 ― that Yale did not award a degree to Ms. Shin, that the diploma presented with her name on it was not a valid Yale diploma, and the certificate on Yale Graduate School letterhead bearing the date May 27, 2005 is inauthentic ― is correct,� Carney said in the letter.
 Dongguk said yesterday that it suffered irreversible damage to its reputation due to Yale�s repeated mistakes.
 �When we asked Yale to verify Shin�s degree in 2005, Yale should have done the job correctly and told us that her diploma was a fake,� Dongguk said in a statement. �If the verification had been done appropriately, Dongguk would not have hired Shin.�
 The university also said Yale�s mistake this summer again caused difficulties. �Because Yale told us that the fax was a fake, we were criticized by the media for lying and protecting Shin,� the school said. �In order to restore the school�s honor ... we are consulting with lawyers in the United States to seek compensation.�
 �Because Yale�s statements on this matter have been inconsistent, we have asked the school to conduct an internal investigation into what actually went on,� Yu Byeon-seong, public affairs head of Dongguk, said yesterday.
 Shin, who is now on trial, has claimed that she was fooled by a middleman into buying the Yale diploma.
 By Ser Myo-ja Staff Reporter [[email protected]]
 |  If Yale can't even properly verify degrees, what makes these cats here think that their results are going to be any bit accurate?
 
 They should just accept the paperwork on the first go-around rather than constantly request it again and again.
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		| poet13 
 
 
 Joined: 22 Jan 2006
 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| "No prospective teacher should object to providing proof of educational credentials...ONCE! 
 A criminal record check? Yes, it should be submitted...ONCE! "
 
 Proof of degree....yes, ONCE.
 
 CRC....every year.
 
 It is possible for a person to commit a crime in their country during the year, but the diploma is yours forever.
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		| spliff 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | poet13 wrote: |  
	  | "No prospective teacher should object to providing proof of educational credentials...ONCE! 
 A criminal record check? Yes, it should be submitted...ONCE! "
 
 Proof of degree....yes, ONCE.
 
 CRC....every year.
 
 It is possible for a person to commit a crime in their country during the year, but the diploma is yours forever.
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 Possible but extremely unlikely since the person isn't in their "home country"...
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		| poet13 
 
 
 Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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				|  Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I agree, but this past summer, someone I personally know got busted for DUI and resisting arrest while taking their two weeks at home. |  | 
	
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		| soju pizza 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: |   |  
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		| Young FRANKenstein 
 
  
 Joined: 02 Oct 2006
 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I agree, but this past summer, someone I personally know got busted for DUI and resisting arrest while taking their two weeks at home. |  Okay, but I rarely fly home. I think 5(?) times in 12 years. No more than a couple/three weeks at a time.
 
 I do however travel extensively to other countries around the region and in Europe. Shall we be expected to provide CRC for those countries. We could have committed a crime while visiting, after all.
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		| garykasparov 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Dongguk University said yesterday that it is planning to take legal action against Yale University |  
 The university with the deeper pockets will eventually prevail IF this goes to court.  I don't think podunk U [Dongguk University] has the monetary resources to prevail.  That university can go piss up a rope.
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		| Ilsanman 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| IN what court?  It would have to be an American court, and if they know what's good for them, they'll tell Ddong-gook to go *beep* themselves. 
 Hopefully, Starbucks will bribe the judge and let Korea know what it's like to get fucked over in a foreign court.
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | Dongguk University said yesterday that it is planning to take legal action against Yale University |  
 The university with the deeper pockets will eventually prevail IF this goes to court.  I don't think podunk U [Dongguk University] has the monetary resources to prevail.  That university can go piss up a rope.
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		| Atavistic 
 
 
 Joined: 22 May 2006
 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | poet13 wrote: |  
	  | "No prospective teacher should object to providing proof of educational credentials...ONCE! 
 A criminal record check? Yes, it should be submitted...ONCE! "
 
 Proof of degree....yes, ONCE.
 
 CRC....every year.
 
 It is possible for a person to commit a crime in their country during the year, but the diploma is yours forever.
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 So how about those of us who haven't been home (I haven't!) just provide photocopies of out passport?
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