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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Al Qaeda may refer to some sectarian, fanatical interpretation of the Muslim religion, but the religion per se is not the cause of terrorism.
I think that - similar to atheistic Communism - the repressive violence is triggered more by utopian social and political ideas - and targeting the "oppressor" ...
John Lennon didn't trust "people with minds that hate" whether they be so-called religionists or "followers of Chairman Mao", but he had high respect for true spiritual leaders (though Yoko may have been a bad influence ...  ) |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| philipjames wrote: |
"Imagine no religion. Nothing to kill or die for...." |
So WWI, WWII, the Korean war, Vietnam and the Iraq wars were all started because of religion?  |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think that - similar to atheistic Communism - the repressive violence is triggered more by utopian social and political ideas - and targeting the "oppressor" ...
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eh~hem  ....
Excuse me....my AVITAR please!!!!
just kidding~!..... 
Well......Doesn't the Qoran say that those who don't submit to "Allah" and convert to Islam should be put to the sword?.....isn't that the main principle of Al-Qaeda, JI and the Taliban and what motivates thousands of young arab men and "devout" muslims to go to Iraq and Afghanistan to fight against us "infidels"?
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| So WWI, WWII, the Korean war, Vietnam and the Iraq wars were all started because of religion? |
Well.......one of the motivations for the US to intervene in Europe was that the NAZIs were in the process of exterminating the entire European Jewish population (US involvement was heavily influenced by the jewish lobbying interests at the time)
When the British took control of Palestine after WWI, they promised it to the Arabs for their assistance against the Ottomens during the "Great War". Yet at the same time, the zion movement brought thousands of jews to the region which left a bitter feeling with the Arabs for the west as both communities struggled for supremacy over "the holy land".
What most people are unaware of is that between the 1920's and the 1940's, both the Haganah and the Palestinians conducted terrorist operations against the British that calminated in the great attack on the British administration housed at the Hotel Belfour that led to the British giving up control of Palestine and with strong lobbying in the newly formed UN for the creation of a jewish state in Palestine (thus, the creation of modern Israel).....what strikes me is that certain elements in Britain and France were opposed and volunteered to fight on the side of the Arabs and Israel getting aid and training from Hungary, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and the USSR (basically the "Warsaw Pact")
And 9/11 was driven completely by Al-Qaeda's interpretation of Islam and the U.S.'s "War on Terror" is its attempt to prevent Al-Qaeda from creating what it calls a "Caliphate"
EVERY major conflict that is now occurring in the world in the early 21st Century is driven by religion |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't you think AQ would rather go for the American-sponsored guy who is in power now? |
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saharzie
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Why is Bhutto being portrayed as whiter than white? She wasn't - she was complicit in some nasty stuff herself. She was also corrupt. Very easy for the West to portray her as the knight in shining armour. She wasn't. Not sure where posters here are getting their information about her.
And Al Qaeda did this? Rather handy for the West to blame Al Qaeda. More likely was ISI with some government prodding. |
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SCE2AUX
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| karma police wrote: |
| philipjames wrote: |
| "Imagine no religion. Nothing to kill or die for...." |
it would be a pretty pointless, predictable world, then, huh? |
Nothing to live for too. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
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Once again, the world is blessed with the charms of religion. ALL religion is man-made. ALL religion is based on ignorance and superstition. ALL religion contributes to the world's woes. ALL religion has passed its 'sold-by date' for anyone who has graduated from grade eight.
"Imagine no religion. Nothing to kill or die for...." |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| The excuses for Islam go on and on. The excuse it by blaming al Qeada of being a small sect of the whole religion. The truth is that Islam is based on evil principles to begin with. |
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