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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Rteacher wrote: |
On the "UnitedStatesian..." thread someone posted this about apostilles from states:
One important note, the authentication page states that a foreign goverment may not accept an Apostille issued by a state. A document issued by a state government must first receive an Apostille from that state's Secretary of State. If the document is meant for a Korean official in Korea, it should then be sent to the U.S. Department of State for their Apostille.
So, you may have needed to send the apostille you got from the state of Washington to the U.S. Dept. of State for their apostille to satisfy some Korean Immigration officials ... |
How fucked up is that?
Why not just line up a string of monkeys with red stamps??? |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Given how long I had to wait for my U.S. passport, which I paid extra money for expedited "two week" processing, plus the time it will take to mail the item for apostillization here and there and have it mailed back, plus the chance it might get lost and I would have to start over after waiting god knows how many weeks to get it back, and then mail it here and mail it there and wait and wait and wait, I could be stuck back home on this paper chase for weeks or months.
This is insane.
Notary seals and apostilles are WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS. WORTHLESS.
Get it?
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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OK, gang, here's an idea:
If you are back in your home country and reading this, take a piece of newspaper (a supermarket ad with prices of chicken and meat and vegetables and ramen, etc., would be nice) and have it notarized. Then have it apostillized.
Then send to Korean Immi.
Or an alternative approach. Take a blank piece of paper. In the center type one word:
WORTHLESS.
Then type the date and time.
Have the piece of paper notarized and apostillized.
Then at the bottom write:
STILL WORTHLESS.
And the date and time.
Next, send it to Korea Immi.
If enough people from around the globe did this, maybe they would get the message. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
On the "UnitedStatesian..." thread someone posted this about apostilles from states:
One important note, the authentication page states that a foreign goverment may not accept an Apostille issued by a state. A document issued by a state government must first receive an Apostille from that state's Secretary of State. If the document is meant for a Korean official in Korea, it should then be sent to the U.S. Department of State for their Apostille.
So, you may have needed to send the apostille you got from the state of Washington to the U.S. Dept. of State for their apostille to satisfy some Korean Immigration officials ... |
This is not correct. Under the Hague Convention, the Secretaries of State of the respective States (or other designated official) are designated competent authorities for the issuance of apostilles. An apostille issued by a state Secretary of State is every bit as valid as one issued by the U.S. State Department.
http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=authorities.details&aid=353
In fact, the U.S. State Department will only apostille documents issued under the seal and signature of a federal agency. They explicitly state that they will not apostille state-issued documents.
http://www.state.gov/m/a/auth/c16921.htm |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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I'm beginning to think the plan, described two posts up, may be too obscure.
Perhaps it would be better to write:
"Notary seals are worthless.
Apostille seals are worthless."
And then have the piece of paper notarized and apostilled.
Do you think Korean officials would get the message? |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| idonojacs wrote: |
I'm beginning to think the plan, described two posts up, may be too obscure.
Perhaps it would be better to write:
"Notary seals are worthless.
Apostille seals are worthless."
And then have the piece of paper notarized and apostilled.
Do you think Korean officials would get the message? |
Korea's immigration is looking for an organization that will authenticate the documents as if to say they are not fake. But that's not the purpose of a notary. |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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this is EXACTLY when you should be emailing this guy for questions:
Misunderstanding of New E-2 Visa
By Lee Dong-wook
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Lee Dong-wook is a member of the New York Bar and the American Immigration Lawyers Association and currently working with the Korean Ministry of Justice. He can be reached at [email protected] |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Apostille refused... |
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| One of the reasons why Korea rejected my apostille was because it didn't look *exactly* like what they thought it should look like. .... |
They said the same thing about my marriage certificate. I ordered the small one instead of the big one. My Alberta certificate didn't look like the Ontario certificate example that they had. They didn't get it that I wasn't from ON.  |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| They said that it wasn't an official apostille |
Maybe we will have to get the apostille notarized, and then this notary apostilled too. Wait, I shoulded give our finest any ideas...... |
Do you think Woo still has my crayon PhD?  [/img] |
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nomaster
Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Location: Hongseong-eup
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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^ You mean the state they almost named Columbia until some congressman piped up and said "No, no, we can't name it that. People will confuse it with the District of Columbia!"  |
I love it when people help me catch myself being slow and stupid, no matter how much I've had to drink.
And I'm from "the other WA"!
Thanks for the laughs!
And Happy New Year!
| idonojacs wrote: |
Yeah, Khenan, it does sometimes seem to be a toss up which country is more screwed up, the Korea or the U.S.
This mess with the apostilles makes me wonder how long it will take for Korea Immi to reject an apostille from New Mexico, as it is not an English speaking country. |
Also a beautiful post. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Apostille refused... |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Khenan wrote: |
| Has anyone else had an apostilled background check be refused by the Korean immigration office? Mine was. They said that it wasn't an official apostille, which it was. After talking to my Secretary of State's office, I learned that they actually cannot refuse to recognize an apostille under the Hague Conventions without first calling the office that issued the apostille and talking to them about it. |
Korea is not bound by the rules of the Hague Convention. They did not sign it. |
Wrong. |
That's right! Korea signed. Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Convention_Abolishing_the_Requirement_for_Legalisation_for_Foreign_Public_Documents
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Sorry, I was thinking of the wrong Hague Convention. I was thinking of the 1954 Convention, which Korea did not ratify. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Apostille refused... |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Vicissitude wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Khenan wrote: |
| Has anyone else had an apostilled background check be refused by the Korean immigration office? Mine was. They said that it wasn't an official apostille, which it was. After talking to my Secretary of State's office, I learned that they actually cannot refuse to recognize an apostille under the Hague Conventions without first calling the office that issued the apostille and talking to them about it. |
Korea is not bound by the rules of the Hague Convention. They did not sign it. |
Wrong. |
That's right! Korea signed. Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Convention_Abolishing_the_Requirement_for_Legalisation_for_Foreign_Public_Documents
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Sorry, I was thinking of the wrong Hague Convention. I was thinking of the 1954 Convention, which Korea did not ratify. |
If it makes you feel any better, you're not the only one who didn't know that Korea has signed onto the Hague Convention. Earlier this week, I took my criminal record check to the Secretary of State's office to have it apostilled. The woman helping me asked for which country the document was intended, and I responded "South Korea." She checked her list and said, "Oh, then it gets an authentication." I replied, "I'm sorry, but I think it should get an apostille. Korea is a signatory to the Hague Convention. I think they joined recently." This sent the woman and her colleague to the Hague Convention website, where they discovered that Korea had indeed signed the convention� in 2007.
The sad part is that they had fulfilled requests from several other South Korea-bound people in the previous couple weeks�and, presumably, provided authentications rather than apostilles on the basis of the outdated information. Those poor schleps are going to be in for a nasty surprise when Immigration rejects their documents.
Moral of this story: it pays to be informed! |
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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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Update: Immigration has reconsidered and re-denied my background check on the same basis that it is not apostilled, which (again) it is. This is despite the fact that I provided them with applicable portions of the Hague and the contact number for my Sec. of State (which they still have not called).
Starting to get grumpy....
(Starting to look at other countries...) |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
Update: Immigration has reconsidered and re-denied my background check on the same basis that it is not apostilled, which (again) it is. This is despite the fact that I provided them with applicable portions of the Hague and the contact number for my Sec. of State (which they still have not called).
Starting to get grumpy....
(Starting to look at other countries...) |
call the US Embassy in Seoul Weds or if you are in the states call the US State Dept.
this whole thing is starting to sound like that Monty Python bit where the doctors all want the machine that goes "bing" |
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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| 'E's not dead...! |
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