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normalcyispasse · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:58 am Post subject:

Woo! It's ON!

normalcyispasse · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:05 am Post subject:

And it's over. Emelianenko with an armbar, 2 minutes into the first round.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Choi dominated the fight, and that arm-bar didn't look very convincing.

It looked like a work to me. Choi was allowed to show his superiority - and didn't appear to suffer at all - in return for leaving Fedor's status in tact...

The Yakuza (and phoney PRIDE) strikes back! Razz

waggo · Joined: 18 May 2003 Location: pusan baby!

Why would they fix a fight in the first round Einstein?

semphoon · Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: Where Nowon is

Choi escaped the first armbar but not the second. That was on tight.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

I'm sure there was betting on how long the fight would last. You didn't see the signal that the first arm-bar was applied too early? Laughing

Anyway, it's typical that no one gives Choi credit for overpowering Fedor and inflicting more damage before losing due to inexperience.

Obviously, Fedor is more skilled at MMA and very determined, but I think that Choi could beat him with better training and more experience.

OK -- I just found out that *beep* Fedor and his backers got special rules for this fight barring the use of knees. Without that provision, I think Hong Man would have had a much better chance of winning.

hellofaniceguy · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!

normalcyispasse · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfCuHsxLuLM

I think this was part of Fedor's strategy. He put hooks on Choi and let Choi take him down; he knew that throwing a 7'2", 370# manimal would be difficult at best so he let Choi do the work. Once there he worked for the armbar. Choi has very long arms and thus very long levers. While Emelianenko put himself in some danger from a ground-and-pound from the guard position, he also enabled submissions that would be difficult from any other position. Choi did not "dominate."

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

In my opinion the fight was in effect practically fixed when "special rules" were announced at the last minute, unfairly giving Fedor a huge advantage.

A while back we heard rumors that Fedor vs Hong Man Choi would be fought under special rules. Of course, we all assumed these special rules would be beneficial to Hong Man Choi � like a 1 minute standup rule or something. Well, the special rules have just been announced and it actually looks like they benefit Fedor!

The �Yarennoka! New Year�s Eve 2007″ main event featuring Fedor Emelianenko (26-11) vs. Hong-Man Choi (1-0) will not include any knee strikes.

The rule difference is due to the weight discrepancy between the two participants. Fedor weighs in around 225 pounds while Choi, standing at 7-feet-2-inches, has weighed in around 352-367 pounds.

That�s right, Choi will not be allowed to use his knees in this fight. Considering the fact that clinch + knees were probably the only way he was going to be able to win this fight, it�s a pretty big setback for the Techno Goliath. No word yet on if Hong Man knew about this rule when he signed the contract to fight, or if it�s another classic last second rule switchup. Only in Japan, baby!
http://fightlinker.com/?p=1278

I think the size differential was offset by the vast difference in MMA experience, and giving the inexperienced competitor such a great handicap was unreasonable - and disgraceful.

What kind of girly man is this Russian - and how sleazy are his connections?

Ilsanman · Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea

26-11? I think it's 26-1. He has not been defeated 11 times.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

That was obviously a typo. His only loss was a (controversial) TKO by cuts to a Japanese fighter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

Snowmeow · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Location: pc room

Rteacher, I am a little surprised. I know you've been following and posting in these MMA threads for a long time and I have liked your comments in the past but this time I think you're off base.

Firstly, there was no special, short notice rules fix. I know they weren't fighting in Pride FC but they used the same rules that were in place all along in Japan

If there is a substantial difference in bodyweight, then the lighter man can choose whether to allow knees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRIDE_Fighting_Championships#Matches_between_fighters_of_different_weight_classes

http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/whats_rules.htm

Secondly as pointed out by normalcyispasse it's probably impossible for Fedor to have thrown Choi like he usually would so he must have planned for arm bars while laying on his back. Choi laying on a guy and slapping his arms a few times doesn't count as domination Wink

At 2:10 ion the youtube video Choi did get off a few solid punches though.

I look forward to further MMA threads Smile

riverboy · Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon

I noticed a couple of things, Choi did not look like he normally did when going into fights, was he psyched out? Was he bought out. The whole not allowed to use knees has me thinking.

Fedor is a great fighter with great stand up and grappling skills. But the whole no knee thing... what is that about, it sure took a valuable offensive arsenal away from Choi.

Also, Fedor, did indeed try to get back up to his feet and was put on his back. He put Choi in an armbar and got the submisson, but from wha I've read, the Japanese mafia does have a pretty big controlling stake in this sort of stuff.

Rteacher, you may have a point.

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

My understanding (from perusing some MMA websites) is that the special rules weren't announced until a few days before the fight.

Even under the PRIDE rules you linked to it only says knees to the face could be barred - not all knee strikes.

And, according to some MMA forum posters, only knees to the head in the ground position have been disallowed in the past.

From what I've read, most experts agree that the special rules (announced too close to the fight date) unfairly benefited Fedor.

And I don't think it was really an easy fight for him at all. If Choi were more experienced he could have utlilized his overpowering strength advantage while employing much better arm-bar defense.

Fedor is definitely very expert at arm-bar submissions , though, and he's successfully applied them on formidable experienced opponents.

So, it wouldn't be an easy task for Choi to beat him in any case - which is why barring him from using any knee strikes provides an unnecessary advantage for Fedor...

Jarome_Turner · Joined: 10 Sep 2004