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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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"unemployable" and "Unemployed" are not always related... Unless the point is to be an asshole.
And we know the point of making the statement under discussion is to be an asshole.
Which leads me to ask: Why are we giving the philosophies of assholes enough credit to try and debunk them? |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Why do you always spell Canada like this? |
Because "Canadia" is the proper spelling of the home country of people who call themselves "Canadians." People from CANADA are properly called "Canadans," just as people from my home state should be called "Floridans."
Silly, isn't it? I'll call them Canadians and their nation Canada as long as they don't refer to my countrymen as "USAians" or "AmeriKKKans" etc. |
It's 'Floridians' dude. Holy jumpin' Jesus, are there a bunch of chimps here or what?
I lived near Orlando, FLA for a year. I don't recommend it.
Pretty freaking sad when I have to school somebody as to what there OWN state's people refers to themselves as.  |
no wonder you are a recruiter and not a teacher.... you just don't get it basic English-e sarcasm....... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Just teaching in Korea with a basic undergrad degree and not doing anything else to improve your credentials/qualifications can leave you in a tough spot when you go back home to look for work.
What you need to do is use your experience as a selling point in relevant areas such as education and training.
If you learned Korean, you can market that to your advantage too in certain fields (government jobs, private sector and translation if you reached fluency).
I know of several schools who prefer teachers who worked abroad before. You need to find them and market yourself properly.
You can also come to Korea to teach for a couple of years and save to earn money to pay for a grad degree....thereby improving your employment chances...
Of course if you came to Korea with a business administration degree and sat on your hands playing bingo for 2 years then, when you return, you will just be older and have not improved your job prospects back home one bit.
It is once again, mostly up to you. |
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Scarlet13
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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[quote="PGF"][quote="mindmetoo"]
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It costs next to nothing to get a BA from the UK or canadia.
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$30,000 is not cheap to those of us who paid their own bills. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| PGF wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| SCE2AUX wrote: |
| shaunew wrote: |
Why do you always spell Canada like this? |
Because "Canadia" is the proper spelling of the home country of people who call themselves "Canadians." People from CANADA are properly called "Canadans," just as people from my home state should be called "Floridans."
Silly, isn't it? I'll call them Canadians and their nation Canada as long as they don't refer to my countrymen as "USAians" or "AmeriKKKans" etc. |
It's 'Floridians' dude. Holy jumpin' Jesus, are there a bunch of chimps here or what?
I lived near Orlando, FLA for a year. I don't recommend it.
Pretty freaking sad when I have to school somebody as to what there OWN state's people refers to themselves as. |
no wonder you are a recruiter and not a teacher.... you just don't get it basic English-e sarcasm....... |
Who says I was being serious? No wonder you're a hagwon jockey. Have fun teaching "blue, red, yellow" and "stop touching my ass!!"
Happy New Year. Aren't they just little angels? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| In part. But from what these guys are telling me, there are no jobs available in Nova Scotia, Canadia or Toronto, Canadia. And living in the England is cost prohibitive. And, the Ireland just doesn't have a lot of jobs (from what the leprechauns tell me). |
I graduated into the 1991 recession with a BA in psychology. That was a rather nasty recession in Canada. I still got an entry level job after a lot of pavement pounding and temp work. I find it hard to believe in Canada with record low unemployment a person with a BA can't get an entry level job. As I say, if you can take a job in Korea that pays the equivalent of a 40-45K a year job in Canada, you might not want to take, initially, a 25K a year entry level job.
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| Paying off student loans? The brits and canadia people barely have to pay for their education...... It costs next to nothing to get a BA from the UK or canadia. |
Tell that to Canadians with 20K in student loans. Tuition isn't the only expense. Residence fees, books, etc. Tuition has to be about $5,000 for a 2 semester year. That's $20K for just a BA. I dunno $5K a year to a 20 year old doesn't seem like next to nothing. What's a state college cost for a person living in the state? |
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harryh
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: south of Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Scarlet13"][quote="PGF"]
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
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It costs next to nothing to get a BA from the UK or canadia.
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$30,000 is not cheap to those of us who paid their own bills. |
Unfortunately I paid my own way through university in England. Back in the day, I got a grant of 1800 quid for the year, which barely covered my petrol costs for the year, so I worked in a supermarket in my free time to help pay for things. But, I still ended up owing 7 grand in loan payments, visa usage etc. Luckily it only took 7 years to pay off my debts. But that was in the early 90s, maybe things are easier now. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
| In part. But from what these guys are telling me, there are no jobs available in Nova Scotia, Canadia or Toronto, Canadia. And living in the England is cost prohibitive. And, the Ireland just doesn't have a lot of jobs (from what the leprechauns tell me). |
I graduated into the 1991 recession with a BA in psychology. That was a rather nasty recession in Canada. I still got an entry level job after a lot of pavement pounding and temp work. I find it hard to believe in Canada with record low unemployment a person with a BA can't get an entry level job. As I say, if you can take a job in Korea that pays the equivalent of a 40-45K a year job in Canada, you might not want to take, initially, a 25K a year entry level job.
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| Paying off student loans? The brits and canadia people barely have to pay for their education...... It costs next to nothing to get a BA from the UK or canadia. |
Tell that to Canadians with 20K in student loans. Tuition isn't the only expense. Residence fees, books, etc. Tuition has to be about $5,000 for a 2 semester year. That's $20K for just a BA. I dunno $5K a year to a 20 year old doesn't seem like next to nothing. What's a state college cost for a person living in the state? |
The average cost is now estimated at $44,000 Canadian for a 4 year degree. And that does not include the opportunity cost of not being able to work full time. Can't post the link because I read it last year. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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It seems to me that people here are too hung up "status" jobs and getting promotions, etc. Who cares about that kind of crap. If you go back home, study a trade like plumbing or carpentry or something. There are lots of opportunities out there. Work with your hands if you have to. A lot of those jobs you can do into your sixties. And they probably pay a hell of a lot more than a teacher or kissing arse to climb the company ladder.
You don't need no edumafukincation like a Masters or a PhD. Learn something useful. |
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harryh
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: south of Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Are entry level jobs in the UK now less than 1200 quid? I'd be surprised if it were. 7 years ago I was offered �2,000 a month, plus living-in-London expenses. MOST people I know from the UK tell me they come here and in effect take a pay cut but they come for the experience they cannot get back home, which is very true. |
I'd agree. I worked as a computer consultant up until 2000 in the UK earning 35,000 quid a year. I first went to the Czech Republic to teach..... for 300 quid equivalent a month. I did it for the experience, not the money.
I ended up in Korea, but my friends in the UK (now well into their 30s and 40s) earn far, far more than I earn here. My situation, is maybe different, as I am married to a korean, with a family to support..... I don't feel rich on a teacher's salary in a public school, that's for sure.
Mind you, if I was single, enjoyed ramyeon everyday, and didn't like going out, I'd feel Korea is the place to be for money. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="harryh"][quote="Scarlet13"]
| PGF wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| PGF wrote: |
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It costs next to nothing to get a BA from the UK or canadia.
IMO |
$30,000 is not cheap to those of us who paid their own bills. |
Unfortunately I paid my own way through university in England. Back in the day, I got a grant of 1800 quid for the year, which barely covered my petrol costs for the year, so I worked in a supermarket in my free time to help pay for things. But, I still ended up owing 7 grand in loan payments, visa usage etc. Luckily it only took 7 years to pay off my debts. But that was in the early 90s, maybe things are easier now. |
If England is like everywhere else, things are much much harder now. |
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Wisconsinite
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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It's true...entry level jobs pay little and suck but it's also true that with hard work you can be promoted. Before I came to Korea, I was sitting in a bank being offered a position in HR, as a trainer ( I was an education major who worked as a teller in a bank). I knew I didn't want to work in public school (student teaching ruined that). As I was offered the position with significant pay raise I saw my life flash before my eyes and I looked at my boss and said "I don't want to do this job for the rest of my life, I want to have a variety of experiences" I worked as a teller for 6 more months while I found a job teaching in Korea. I interviewed for jobs in Japan, Korea, Kuwait, and England but settled on Korea...don't know why.
So this whole unemployable thing? A load of crap...not true. Most of the FT I met were people who worked good, decent jobs at home but wanted a different experience and travel before they settled down. This should be looked on as a GOOD thing..... |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| Are entry level jobs in the UK now less than 1200 quid? I'd be surprised if it were. 7 years ago I was offered �2,000 a month, plus living-in-London expenses. MOST people I know from the UK tell me they come here and in effect take a pay cut but they come for the experience they cannot get back home, which is very true. |
I am thinking of going back to the UK to either go to law school or get an entry level job in HR while doing a masters degree in a related field. Most entry level jobs in HR pay around 18-20k pounds. As someoen else said; the promotions soon follow. In HR if you have a relevant masters degree/ chartered membership of CIPD you will be earning over 40k pounds after ten years. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
If you learned Korean, you can market that to your advantage too in certain fields (government jobs, private sector and translation if you reached fluency).
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Sound advice here folks. I passed level 4 of the Korean proficiency exam and I am sure that it will be looked on favorabley by prospective employers in the UK even if Korean language skills aren't required for the job. Not to mention the fact that in the UK there is a shamefully small number of people who can speak a second language. It might give me the edge over another candidate when everything else is pretty equal. |
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Zutronius
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Location: Suncheon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| I wanted to come to Korea because of the experience. I could get a job here in Canada, but why would I want to? I'd rather try something new and different and see what or where it may lead to. I'd like to eventually teach so gaining some experience and being able to pocket a bit of money sounds appealing. Did I mention the kimchi? |
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