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mateomiguel



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate conspiracy theories so goddamn much. They never offer any answers, just FUD. That would be Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. If I wanted that I'd go to church!
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regicide



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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Now you're simply being unnecessarily paranoid.


Who is paying you to spread disinformation? Regi? And who is paying him? And where do they get the money to pay either of you?


Disinformation is used when defending the official story, moron.


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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
Actually, the thread author makes a good point ... we're ALL paying too much attention to conspiracy theories, whether we think they're bunkum or not.

Let's all get back to current events.
Laughing

You just don't get it, do you?
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regicide



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
Manner of Speaking wrote:
Actually, the thread author makes a good point ... we're ALL paying too much attention to conspiracy theories, whether we think they're bunkum or not.

Let's all get back to current events.
Laughing

You just don't get it, do you?


That's right. MOS, why don't you just buy a newspaper!
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Main Entry: dis�in�for�ma�tion
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)dis-ˌin-fər-ˈmā-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 1939
: false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth



Hmmmm...sounds a LOT more like what you do...but you knew that, didn't you?
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regicide



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Main Entry: dis�in�for�ma�tion
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)dis-ˌin-fər-ˈmā-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 1939
: false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth



Hmmmm...sounds a LOT more like what you do...but you knew that, didn't you?


No dipstick, I didn't know that and now one else does either.

Disinformation is deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government, intelligence agency, corporation or other ENTITY for the purpose of influencing opinions or perceptions.

A group might plant disinformation in reports, in press releases, in public statements or in practically any other routine, occasional or unusual communique. Disinformation can also be leaked, or covertly released to a source who can be trusted to repeat the false information.

A common disinformation tactic is to mix truth, half-truths, and lies. Disinformants sometimes seek to gain the confidence of their audience through emotional appeals or by using semi-neutral language interlaced with threads of disinformation.

"Disinformation is a fact of life in politics. Those who practice politics for a living call it "spin." Honest people call it lying through your teeth."
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caniff



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Is this the conspiracy theory forum now? Reply with quote

loose_ends wrote:
caniff wrote:
So is it? And if so, which conspiracy theory is 'currently' more hot than the others?

I'm just trying to keep abreast of the latest........

(edit: I guess the 'hot' one would be the one about the thermite, but you know what I mean.)


you watch that lecture yet?


Well, I watched it in its entirety last night. I do agree that it raises alot of interesting questions, and the government's reaction to inquiries was less than forthcoming and cooperative (but this has been their modus operandi with just about everything, so not too sure it's a smoking gun with regards to this issue).

As another poster wrote somewhere here, these theories present one side of an argument in a similar fashion to an expert witness testifying in court. The other side also has them, and so we (the jury) hear conflicting determinations without really being able to get everyone in the same room (in a non-adversarial setting) to hash out these differing conclusions.

Again, the video did provide food for thought, and it certainly reinforced my belief that the U.S. government is in a sad state of affairs, but beyond that there still seems to be a lack of clear-cut answers we can all hang our collective hat on.

Too bad there isn't some legal mandate to force everyone involved to come to definitive agreements on these types of things via forced conferences or something. But I guess that wouldn't work, either, as they would just turn into wrestling matches or the equivalent of a Korean legislative hearing.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ELRON - VOXEO:
The Israeli Defense Firm That Tallies the Iowa Caucus
By Christopher Bollyn
31 December 2007

http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10371

The Iowa caucus is only a few days away and the nation's attention will be directed to the results, which signify the beginning of the U.S. presidential race. But does anyone watch who tallies the results of the Iowa caucus?

The Iowa caucus results were tallied in 2004 by a company that is headed by a man whose company was bought by Elron Electronics, the Israeli defense firm. I suspect that it will be the same this year. Don't expect to see any grassroots political activists doing the tally in Iowa. The Israeli defense establishment takes care of that part of the American "democratic" election process.

VOXEO
In the summer of 2004, I first learned that a foreign and out-of-state company using Interactive Voice Response (IVR) technology tallied the Iowa caucus results.

The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was apparently based in Orlando, Florida. (Yellow flag goes up in the mind of those familiar with Orlando and electronic vote fraud history. See Bollyn article on Yang below.)

The calls from the nearly 2,000 caucus centers in Iowa went to a Voxeo call center in Atlanta, Georgia.

On January 31, 2005, I wrote to Michelle Bauer, Iowa's Secretary of State with some questions about the use of Voxeo, a foreign company located in Florida, to tally the results of the Iowa caucus:

Subject: How was the Iowa Caucus Tallied?

Dear Sirs,

When I visited the headquarters of the Democratic Party in Des Moines last summer, I learned that the tally of the Iowa caucus had been "out-sourced" to a company in Atlanta, Georgia.

What this means is that the tallying of the Iowa caucus results was done over the telephone, using the touch-tone buttons, to enter the results from each caucus location � Wink

I am interested in how this was done, and why. Why did the Democratic Party allow the crucial tally of the caucus results to be done by a company in Atlanta? Don't they trust their own math skills?

Can any of you provide any information about this matter?

Kind regards,
Christopher Bollyn

A person named Mike Milligan wrote back on behalf of Secretary of State Bauer:

Mike Milligan <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear Christopher:

The Secretary of State forwarded me the email you sent to then on Monday, January 31, 2004 [sic] regarding the Iowa Caucuses.

Unfortunately you either received some incorrect information in your travels or are confused. The Iowa Democratic Party completed all of the caucus night tabulations in Iowa, in the Des Moines/Polk County Convention Center, which was the Caucus night HQ. In fact, our tech staff wrote the software that tabulated the results.

To answer your second to last question, we feel we have a comfortable grasp of mathematics.

Sincerely,

MWM

Mike Milligan, Executive Director
Iowa Democratic Party
(515) 244-7292 ex. 676

I wrote this note back to Mr. Milligan:

Dear Mr. Milligan,
I am responding to you about how the caucus results for the Iowa Democratic Party were tallied on the night of the nation's first caucus. After checking my sources, I can assure you that it is correct that an out-of-state telephone/computer system tallied the Iowa precinct results.

The system used was provided by Voxeo Corporation based in Orlando, Florida. The calls went from Iowa to a call center in Atlanta, Georgia.

See: http://www.voxeo.com/

This information was first provided to me last August by John McCormally, Communications Director for the Iowa Democratic Party in Des Moines, Iowa.

Today I called Voxeo (800) 305-5771 in Orlando and although I didn't go into detail, the receptionist confirmed that Voxeo had conducted the telephone tally of the Iowa Democratic Caucus results.

How is it that you don't know that?

McCormally told me that chairmen were selected in all 1,993 precincts and these chairmen called in on touch-tone phones and after giving their PIN number, were able to enter the results from their precinct using the touch-tone number pad.

I'm not going to go into great detail at this point, but this procedure of using an out-of-state computer company to tally the precinct results for the Iowa Democratic Caucus lacks the transparency and openness that one might expect in this exercise in grass-roots poll.

Clearly, if someone wanted to adjust the results, it would be the easiest thing to do to do it through this computer system in Orlando, Florida. The Democrats in Iowa would never be aware of it, regardless of their math skills, unless the paper results were carefully audited in an open and honest manner.

Christopher Bollyn

THE ISRAELIS & VOXEO
Now, who really is Voxeo, and why are the Iowa caucus results tallied by them? I don't know if the 2008 Iowa results will be tallied in the same way, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Voxeo is headed by Jonathan Taylor, who is the company's President and CEO. This is what his Voxeo webpage says about him:

Jonathan combined his experience in both business operations and technology innovation to found Voxeo in 1999. Under his guidance, Voxeo has seen triple-digit revenue growth for four consecutive years and has been profitable since January, 2004. Prior to Voxeo, Jonathan founded and helped bring three additional software and infrastructure service companies to profitability.

From 1995 to 1997, Jonathan was the founder and President of InterResearch and Development Group (IRdg), Inc. IRdg created and licensed iPost - the first internet powered OEM unified messaging solution - to leading telecommunications providers including Ericsson, Motorola and Unisys. IRdg was acquired by Elron Electronic Industries (Nasdq: ELRN) subsidiary MediaGate in 1997.

There you have it. Jonathan Taylor's company, which he founded, was taken over by Elron Electronic Industries, the Israeli defense high tech company:

In its early days, Elron focused on defense, particularly electronics and avionics, as well as the emerging medical and technology sectors. In 1966, Elron founded Elbit, which combined the expertise of the Ministry of Defense-Research Institute in special computer design with Elron's experience in electronic product design, manufacture and management.

Source: http://www.elron.net/default.asp?PageID=203

This is important information that Americans need to know and which they will not find in the Zionist-controlled media in the United States. It needs to be understood that the entire election process in the United States is a fraud. More than that, it is a fraud that is being perpetrated by the Israeli defense establishment on the na�ve and gullible American public.

The sine qua non of an honest and transparent election process is the open counting of the votes by the voters themselves in each polling station in front of the open eyes of other citizens and members of the media. Any compromise in this most fundamental and essential process which acts to remove the citizenry from the vote-counting process simply cannot be accepted.

This is what Americans MUST get back to, in every polling station in the nation: paper ballots that are hand counted in front of the public.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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So is it? And if so, which conspiracy theory is 'currently' more hot than the others?



Yes, it is. We have a conspiracy for each situation you could possibly want. And btw, you are automatically suspect as an agent of disinformation just for asking that question. You have been warned.


Mods, please delete this thread.

(caniff sells everything he owns at a midnight impromptu street "garage sale", kisses his wife goodbye while she is sleeping, and runs away in the night to go live amongst a heretofore unheard of tribe in the wilds of Borneo. But even there caniff will be wary of double agents, keep it real, and continue to refer to himself in the third person in the hope that he can somehow throw off the surveillance and eventually power up to win the game).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I originally posted a comment on IGTG's post, but when I came across FIVE more copies of the same post, I was so disgusted by his effort to shove his views down my throat that I came back and deleted my comment.

That's the only way I know to demonstrate my objection to such rude and discourteous behavior on his part--boycott his post. I would like to see him temporarily banned for misbehavior.


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caniff



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was apparently based in Orlando, Florida. (Yellow flag goes up in the mind of those familiar with Orlando and electronic vote fraud history. See Bollyn article on Yang below.)


Conclusion: If you company happens to be located in a city where another company did something shady, you are suspect. I think this is the type of thing MoS was refering to when he wrote about the damaging effects of conspiracy theories.


That's all well and good, but what about Elvis and the moon landings?

(edit: I think people have given up on the Elvis thing (I hope), but the moon landing stuff is alive and well)

Check out old Buzz smack this mouthy jerk. Go Buzz!!:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mQKxAqpjroo

That douche forgot to hide behind a keyboard before he talked smack.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(edit: I think people have given up on the Elvis thing (I hope), but the moon landing stuff is alive and well)



I think you are right about the Elvis thing fading out--until Elvis was spotted on the moon.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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(edit: I think people have given up on the Elvis thing (I hope), but the moon landing stuff is alive and well)



I think you are right about the Elvis thing fading out--until Elvis was spotted on the moon.


What do you think about my last post above? What does that prove?

The punch is a clear sign of a conspiracy.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
(caniff sells everything he owns at a midnight impromptu street "garage sale", kisses his wife goodbye while she is sleeping, and runs away in the night to go live amongst a heretofore unheard of tribe in the wilds of Borneo. But even there caniff will be wary of double agents, keep it real, and continue to refer to himself in the third person in the hope that he can somehow throw off the surveillance and eventually power up to win the game).


ROFL. Sounds like someone truly understands Igotthisguitar and his cadre here.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What do you think about my last post above?


I think hiding out with a heretofore unheard of tribe in the wilds of Borneo sounds like a good plan in this world threatened by lizard armies from other planets who live underground and seek to control our world. Seeing that they seem to be living in the deserts of New Mexico, Borneo would probably be less appealing to them and you will be safe...for a while.
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