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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:01 am    Post subject: Israeli Defense Firm Tallies Iowa Caucus Reply with quote

ELRON - VOXEO:
The Israeli Defense Firm That Tallies the Iowa Caucus
By Christopher Bollyn
31 December 2007

http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10371

The Iowa caucus is only a few days away and the nation's attention will be directed to the results, which signify the beginning of the U.S. presidential race. But does anyone watch who tallies the results of the Iowa caucus?

The Iowa caucus results were tallied in 2004 by a company that is headed by a man whose company was bought by Elron Electronics, the Israeli defense firm. I suspect that it will be the same this year. Don't expect to see any grassroots political activists doing the tally in Iowa. The Israeli defense establishment takes care of that part of the American "democratic" election process.

VOXEO
In the summer of 2004, I first learned that a foreign and out-of-state company using Interactive Voice Response (IVR) technology tallied the Iowa caucus results.

The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was apparently based in Orlando, Florida. (Yellow flag goes up in the mind of those familiar with Orlando and electronic vote fraud history. See Bollyn article on Yang below.)

The calls from the nearly 2,000 caucus centers in Iowa went to a Voxeo call center in Atlanta, Georgia.

On January 31, 2005, I wrote to Michelle Bauer, Iowa's Secretary of State with some questions about the use of Voxeo, a foreign company located in Florida, to tally the results of the Iowa caucus:

Subject: How was the Iowa Caucus Tallied?

Dear Sirs,

When I visited the headquarters of the Democratic Party in Des Moines last summer, I learned that the tally of the Iowa caucus had been "out-sourced" to a company in Atlanta, Georgia.

What this means is that the tallying of the Iowa caucus results was done over the telephone, using the touch-tone buttons, to enter the results from each caucus location � Wink

I am interested in how this was done, and why. Why did the Democratic Party allow the crucial tally of the caucus results to be done by a company in Atlanta? Don't they trust their own math skills?

Can any of you provide any information about this matter?

Kind regards,
Christopher Bollyn

A person named Mike Milligan wrote back on behalf of Secretary of State Bauer:

Mike Milligan <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear Christopher:

The Secretary of State forwarded me the email you sent to then on Monday, January 31, 2004 [sic] regarding the Iowa Caucuses.

Unfortunately you either received some incorrect information in your travels or are confused. The Iowa Democratic Party completed all of the caucus night tabulations in Iowa, in the Des Moines/Polk County Convention Center, which was the Caucus night HQ. In fact, our tech staff wrote the software that tabulated the results.

To answer your second to last question, we feel we have a comfortable grasp of mathematics.

Sincerely,

MWM

Mike Milligan, Executive Director
Iowa Democratic Party
(515) 244-7292 ex. 676

I wrote this note back to Mr. Milligan:

Dear Mr. Milligan,
I am responding to you about how the caucus results for the Iowa Democratic Party were tallied on the night of the nation's first caucus. After checking my sources, I can assure you that it is correct that an out-of-state telephone/computer system tallied the Iowa precinct results.

The system used was provided by Voxeo Corporation based in Orlando, Florida. The calls went from Iowa to a call center in Atlanta, Georgia.

See: http://www.voxeo.com/

This information was first provided to me last August by John McCormally, Communications Director for the Iowa Democratic Party in Des Moines, Iowa.

Today I called Voxeo (800) 305-5771 in Orlando and although I didn't go into detail, the receptionist confirmed that Voxeo had conducted the telephone tally of the Iowa Democratic Caucus results.

How is it that you don't know that?

McCormally told me that chairmen were selected in all 1,993 precincts and these chairmen called in on touch-tone phones and after giving their PIN number, were able to enter the results from their precinct using the touch-tone number pad.

I'm not going to go into great detail at this point, but this procedure of using an out-of-state computer company to tally the precinct results for the Iowa Democratic Caucus lacks the transparency and openness that one might expect in this exercise in grass-roots poll.

Clearly, if someone wanted to adjust the results, it would be the easiest thing to do to do it through this computer system in Orlando, Florida. The Democrats in Iowa would never be aware of it, regardless of their math skills, unless the paper results were carefully audited in an open and honest manner.

Christopher Bollyn

THE ISRAELIS & VOXEO
Now, who really is Voxeo, and why are the Iowa caucus results tallied by them? I don't know if the 2008 Iowa results will be tallied in the same way, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Voxeo is headed by Jonathan Taylor, who is the company's President and CEO. This is what his Voxeo webpage says about him:

Jonathan combined his experience in both business operations and technology innovation to found Voxeo in 1999. Under his guidance, Voxeo has seen triple-digit revenue growth for four consecutive years and has been profitable since January, 2004. Prior to Voxeo, Jonathan founded and helped bring three additional software and infrastructure service companies to profitability.

From 1995 to 1997, Jonathan was the founder and President of InterResearch and Development Group (IRdg), Inc. IRdg created and licensed iPost - the first internet powered OEM unified messaging solution - to leading telecommunications providers including Ericsson, Motorola and Unisys. IRdg was acquired by Elron Electronic Industries (Nasdq: ELRN) subsidiary MediaGate in 1997.

There you have it. Jonathan Taylor's company, which he founded, was taken over by Elron Electronic Industries, the Israeli defense high tech company:

In its early days, Elron focused on defense, particularly electronics and avionics, as well as the emerging medical and technology sectors. In 1966, Elron founded Elbit, which combined the expertise of the Ministry of Defense-Research Institute in special computer design with Elron's experience in electronic product design, manufacture and management.

Source: http://www.elron.net/default.asp?PageID=203

This is important information that Americans need to know and which they will not find in the Zionist-controlled media in the United States. It needs to be understood that the entire election process in the United States is a fraud. More than that, it is a fraud that is being perpetrated by the Israeli defense establishment on the na�ve and gullible American public.

The sine qua non of an honest and transparent election process is the open counting of the votes by the voters themselves in each polling station in front of the open eyes of other citizens and members of the media. Any compromise in this most fundamental and essential process which acts to remove the citizenry from the vote-counting process simply cannot be accepted.

This is what Americans MUST get back to, in every polling station in the nation: paper ballots that are hand counted in front of the public.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the FIFTH copy so far. At least it is in its own thread.

Personally, I think people who post 5 copies of the same thing should be temporarily banned as punishment for trying to hijack other threads.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not hijacking: this represents a propaganda campaign. Like political operators who paint the same message or hang the same poster on multiple street corners.

There is a cadre of people here who aim to use this web-site not to exchange views for recreation but to actually effect political change. Yes, they hold absurdly unrealistic views about their power to do this through Dave's ESL Cafe. They will come back and charge posters like you and I -- citing our own political positions on whatever issue -- as sufficient evidence that we are doing the same thing they are.

But exchanging political views from one or another position and hanging the same propaganda on thread after thread, effectively forcing others to listen to you, is not the same thing. I would expect the mods to see this distinction but at least some of the mods seem to share these posters' extremist politics.

In any case, many of our disagreements on this board stem from our answers to this question: why do you post here?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Not hijacking: this represents a propaganda campaign. Like political operators who paint the same message or hang the same poster on multiple street corners.

There is a cadre of people here who aim to use this web-site not to exchange views for recreation but to actually effect political change. Yes, they hold absurdly unrealistic views about their power to do this through Dave's ESL Cafe. They will come back and charge posters like you and I -- citing our own political positions on whatever issue -- as sufficient evidence that we are doing the same thing they are.

But exchanging political views from one or another position and hanging the same propaganda on thread after thread, effectively forcing others to listen to you, is not the same thing. I would expect the mods to see this distinction but at least some of the mods seem to share these posters' extremist politics.

In any case, many of our disagreements on this board stem from our answers to this question: why do you post here?


Well said and true.

With that said, I think all countries should count their ballots in paper and infront of the public or at least a camera that can record the process.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loose_ends wrote:

Well said and true.

With that said, I think all countries should count their ballots in paper and infront of the public or at least a camera that can record the process.


I agree completely. Otherwise, it's just a joke.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
This is the FIFTH copy so far. At least it is in its own thread.

Personally, I think people who post 5 copies of the same thing should be temporarily banned as punishment for trying to hijack other threads.


Predictably ignorant comments Ya-ta.

Issues such as these warrant HUNDREDS of threads. I encourage everyone to post on as many forums as possible. Send it in email to everyone on your contact list.

RED ALERT RED ALERT, WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP !!!

The whole world needs to know Wink

You'd of course prefer that NOONE even hear about these Zionist crooks trying their best to "quietly" hijack the democratic process.

p.s. "Personally" i think you should ... get a REAL job!
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, do you know how the caucus works?

This company only compiles the informal numbers from the initial caucus. It was NOTHING to do with the final vote.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
Um, do you know how the caucus works?

This company only compiles the informal numbers from the initial caucus.

It was NOTHING to do with the final vote.


Right Wink
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mistermasan



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stalin's quote: those who vote decide nothing. those who count the votes decide everything.

it boggles the mind that one state would let a private, for-profit entity based outside the state do the tabulating. in iowa there will be 1933 caucusing locations. each instance is ripe for folly. how could such ever be overseen?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
stalin's quote: those who vote decide nothing.

those who "count the votes" decide everything.


We have a winner !! Cool
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Beeyee



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those who believe America is a democracy are fools.

The same goes for the UK of course.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I agree with, or at least here out, some of you guys, but on this point you are a pack of fools.

THE DELEGATES DECIDED TONIGHT WILL GO ON TO COUNTY THEN STATE CAUCUSES WHERE THE FINAL DELEGATES WILL BE DECIDED.

The count from tonight means nothing as far as the final delegates Iowa will take to the national convention. The Iowa caucus is more of a media event, and if it has ANY real national impact it's that the "results" from tonight might affect voter/caucus turn out in future contests.

You're as bad as the people you rail against. Everything is not a conspiracy to screw with you, you're not that important.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
You're as bad as the people you rail against.

Everything is not a conspiracy to screw with you
, you're not that important.


Who here, besides yourself, said it was "personal"? Laughing

Structural is much more like it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"you're not that important". yes. government by the people, of the people and for the people is irrevelant. resume your consuming.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You act like it's personal. That corporate boogeymen are sneakily stealing your liberty. That there is a conspiracy around every corner.

There are some conspiracies, it would be as ridiculous to discount them all as it is to believe them all. You guys are like the idealogical opposite of posters like thepeel, but guilty of the same backwards thinking.

I suppose I take it personal as I have a HUGE problem with WILLFUL ignorance. 'I choose to believe something even though all evidence refutes my assumption.' I know this is like talking, or posting, to a brick wall, but I hope that you might be reasoned with. Clearly that is as unlikely as reasoning with thepeel or gopher. I may occasionally agree with some of what all these posters I've mentioned have written in the past, but it becomes more and more difficult to do so.

Don't you realize you weaken your defensible positions by taking indefensible ones? Your like the French, but without good food. You do have plenty of whine though. (Dang, second posted pun today, sorry.)
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