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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: Owning/Buying an apartment in Korea - the little things |
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My wife and I are thinking about buying an apartment soon. We've been doing the "cheon-se" for a while and we've saved up enough to be able to buy a modest abode, probably an apartment in a newish villa.
While looking at a few places recently and talking to a few agents, I realized that there are many little things to consider about making such a purchase, including things like parking, cleaning fees, building maintenance/repairs, property taxes, agent fees, home insurance, cost of home renovations, and so on.
For example, an agent was saying that his commission would be 0.4% of the sale price, meaning if we bought a place for 100 million, we'd have to pay him 400,000won. Is this the standard commission?And what kind of home insurance does anyone have (ballpark)?
Therefore, for those who have gone down this road and have 20/20 hindsight, any sage advice? I guess I'm looking for the tidbits of info that could save me headaches down the road.
Much appreciated. |
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pesawattahi
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Location: it rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Heck thats cheap for commission, in the U.S. it is 2-3% (I got the seller to pay it) not to mention the titling fees, processing fees, solar eclipse fees, and so on and so forth. |
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lucas_p
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Owning/Buying an apartment in Korea - the little things |
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Hanson wrote: |
My wife and I are thinking about buying an apartment soon. We've been doing the "cheon-se" for a while and we've saved up enough to be able to buy a modest abode, probably an apartment in a newish villa.
While looking at a few places recently and talking to a few agents, I realized that there are many little things to consider about making such a purchase, including things like parking, cleaning fees, building maintenance/repairs, property taxes, agent fees, home insurance, cost of home renovations, and so on.
For example, an agent was saying that his commission would be 0.4% of the sale price, meaning if we bought a place for 100 million, we'd have to pay him 400,000won. Is this the standard commission?And what kind of home insurance does anyone have (ballpark)?
Therefore, for those who have gone down this road and have 20/20 hindsight, any sage advice? I guess I'm looking for the tidbits of info that could save me headaches down the road.
Much appreciated. |
1. How big are you looking at?
2. And, for our recent purchase, the commission was .5% So it seems par for the course here in Korea maybe...? |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Is there home insurance in Korea? I feel bad asking, but in all my years here everytime I asked a Korean I always got a negative answer.
If someone could post some info on that it would be appreciated. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind when buying one not yet built...
1. The final version often differs from the model home.
2. The final price can change accordingto final measurements*
*We bought a 27 peyon Apt from a builder for 300mil. A week before we moved in, they said they measiured everything and that ours was now 31 peyong... and that we owed an extra 30 mil before we moved in.
We moved in, and lived without furniture for a few months. lol
The builder was Hyundai. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Also, if you're going to be in a villa, you should know the downsides. Your wife probably knows this, but villas generally go DOWN in price over time, and are not as easy to sell as apartments.
The upside is that you can get a much bigger villa than you can apartment for a lower price.
Sure you want to buy know? Bad real estate reports coming out of the US and UK. Korean prices may slide. Guess if you will be there long term, and you really like the place, why not?
Good luck to you. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere in America
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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pesawattahi wrote: |
Heck thats cheap for commission, in the U.S. it is 2-3% (I got the seller to pay it) not to mention the titling fees, processing fees, solar eclipse fees, and so on and so forth. |
Yes, usually the seller pay commission, but in U.S the standard commission is 6 % ( not 2-3 % ). |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
Keep in mind when buying one not yet built...
1. The final version often differs from the model home.
2. The final price can change accordingto final measurements*
*We bought a 27 peyon Apt from a builder for 300mil. A week before we moved in, they said they measiured everything and that ours was now 31 peyong... and that we owed an extra 30 mil before we moved in.
We moved in, and lived without furniture for a few months. lol
The builder was Hyundai. |
that's BS - you contracted for 27 so you should only pay for 27 regardless of how much they ended up giving you. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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SuperHero wrote: |
Captain Corea wrote: |
Keep in mind when buying one not yet built...
1. The final version often differs from the model home.
2. The final price can change accordingto final measurements*
*We bought a 27 peyon Apt from a builder for 300mil. A week before we moved in, they said they measiured everything and that ours was now 31 peyong... and that we owed an extra 30 mil before we moved in.
We moved in, and lived without furniture for a few months. lol
The builder was Hyundai. |
that's BS - you contracted for 27 so you should only pay for 27 regardless of how much they ended up giving you. |
Gotta read the fine print in those housing construction contracts.
Believe me, I was mad as hell, but it was legally correct.  |
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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PRagic wrote: |
Also, if you're going to be in a villa, you should know the downsides. Your wife probably knows this, but villas generally go DOWN in price over time, and are not as easy to sell as apartments.
The upside is that you can get a much bigger villa than you can apartment for a lower price.
Sure you want to buy know? Bad real estate reports coming out of the US and UK. Korean prices may slide. Guess if you will be there long term, and you really like the place, why not?
Good luck to you. |
Hmmm... We've lived in a villa under cheon-se for 3 and a half years now, and our building was just sold to a new owner. The new owner kindly informed us that if we wish to remain in our villa apartment, that we would need to give him an extra 30MIL in key money. We paid 40MIL when we moved in... That's almost double in under 4 years!
Also, the agents I've been talking to are saying that housing has sky-rocketed in the last few years in our area (Ansan), for both apartments and villas.
Cap'n - thanks for the advice, although we are planning to move into an already built place. Live and learn, eh Cap'n?
I guess I should reinterate my request in this thread - does anybody have any do's and don't's regarding buying? Things that you learned afterwards and regretted?
Our whole theory is that with cheon-se, we get nothing in return over time, and actually lose interest on our key money (which acts like rent...). We're thinking that if we owned, hopefully the market will continue rising (under good ol' Myung-back) and we'll be able to sell for a bit of a profit.
That being said, I feel like I'm not factoring some things in (kinda like when you're about to leave and feel like you're forgetting something). Maybe I'm underestimating the property taxes - which I'm told is a one-time purchasing tax and none thereafter. Perhaps I'm not thinking of repairs that will need to be done... What should I be looking for? Maybe I'm not factoring in housing insurance (now, we don't have any under cheon-se - we're thinking that our stuff/furniture isn't very valuable, so we don't need house insurance, cuz it's not our home...)
What am I forgetting/neglecting? |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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No offense, but that must either be one tiny villa, or you aren't in or near a major city, especially Seoul.
Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of officitels, not villas, so my bad there. Having said that, you could tell the new owner to kindly kiss your arse over that big of an increase. If you know the area housing prices, you are in a better position to make that decision. What is the actual value of the property?
Still, one of the reasons we don't rent villas under chunsae is that it isn't easy to get new people to come in, and it isn't easy to increase the price (compared to buildings/apartments) for chunsae. |
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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PRagic wrote: |
No offense, but that must either be one tiny villa, or you aren't in or near a major city, especially Seoul.
Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of officitels, not villas, so my bad there. Having said that, you could tell the new owner to kindly kiss your arse over that big of an increase. If you know the area housing prices, you are in a better position to make that decision. What is the actual value of the property?
Still, one of the reasons we don't rent villas under chunsae is that it isn't easy to get new people to come in, and it isn't easy to increase the price (compared to buildings/apartments) for chunsae. |
Like I said, it's in Ansan. And yeah, the whole market in Ansan has gone up incredibly fast. The prices of other apartments/villas have reflected that. We saw about 60 places when we first shopped around for the place we have now. We have a good base of knowledge to compare to the places we're seeing now. All the prices have gone up considerably.
And remember, we paid 40MIL in cheon-se 3 and a half years ago in Ansan (outside of Seoul). Our villa is 27 pyeong - not really small... The building was only a year old when we moved in.
All this points to an increase in the market, which I'm hoping will continue. Ansan is getting bigger every year. It's close to Seoul. Villas are cheaper than complex apartments, and won't increase in value as much as an apartment might, but I don't think they will go down in value, unless the building is really old. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Even if prices have gone up, that's pretty cheap for 27 pyung. Just to give you an idea, we paid around 80 million for 25-27 pyung 11 years ago in Seoul when we were married. Ansan sounds very reasonable, especially if you have good work there.
Just my 2 cents, but I'd suggest buying an apartment there rather than a villa. If prices are on the way up, you'll do much better in the long run, particularly with something in the 27-25 pyung range. Like you said, villas don't get the value increase. Korean's are nuts about their apartments.
If you can't afford an apartment, then I'd just pay the increase in chunsae. That's still very reasonable compared to most places, especially if your income is on par. Invest the difference. |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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pesawattahi wrote: |
Heck thats cheap for commission, in the U.S. it is 2-3% (I got the seller to pay it) not to mention the titling fees, processing fees, solar eclipse fees, and so on and so forth. |
In Canada the seller has to pay it (law)...you probably didn't get them to pay it.
Note: The property taxes are not a one time thing. I have had a tax bill every 4 months or so (wife deals with it). Also...my healthcare costs went way up after buying a place. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
Keep in mind when buying one not yet built...
1. The final version often differs from the model home.
2. The final price can change accordingto final measurements*
*We bought a 27 peyon Apt from a builder for 300mil. A week before we moved in, they said they measiured everything and that ours was now 31 peyong... and that we owed an extra 30 mil before we moved in.
We moved in, and lived without furniture for a few months. lol
The builder was Hyundai. |
How could they make such a considerable engineering error? |
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