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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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This was quite amazin'. Obama comfortably in first. Nice show there, O. I didn't see that coming.
I also predicted no one would drop out just because of Iowa. Joe B and Chris D showed me up there.
The best news, IMO, is the turnout. Obama got 'em out. Good sign. VERY good sign. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Obama is inspiring to listening to, so is his wife. I was surprised she is equally as inspiring.
I also listened to Mitt Romney give a speech. I was also impressed how articulate he is as well. I don't like him politically, but the fact he flips back and forth so much on of his supposed 'Republican principles' says more that he just wants to be President, rather than believing Republican idiology and dogma wholeheartedly - which is actually a good sign to moderates.
However, Romney's past is solidly yuppie. He screams 'yuppie' through and through. Always a business man of some sort, with no real sense of what it means to live on hourly wages, etc. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
Obama is inspiring to listening to, so is his wife. I was surprised she is equally as inspiring.
I also listened to Mitt Romney give a speech. I was also impressed how articulate he is as well. I don't like him politically, but the fact he flips back and forth so much on of his supposed 'Republican principles' says more that he just wants to be President, rather than believing Republican idiology and dogma wholeheartedly - which is actually a good sign to moderates.
However, Romney's past is solidly yuppie. He screams 'yuppie' through and through. Always a business man of some sort, with no real sense of what it means to live on hourly wages, etc. |
Romney made his money by being a corporate downsizer. He and his firm bought companies, gutted them, and sold the pieces, putting thousands out of work.
Money can buy you a staff but can't buy you votes. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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A fair assessment, in my opinion:
Winners & Losers from Iowa
Stuart Rothenberg
After months of speculation about who'll win Iowa, we finally have winners and losers. Some of them are obvious, while others may not be. One thing for sure is that a rousing speech on caucus night doesn't mean a candidate has won. In some cases, losers seemed to yell even louder than winners.
Iowa Winners
1. Barack Obama. The easiest pick of the night, Obama's win means that he goes to New Hampshire as a winner. No, the Democratic contest is not over, but if he wins in the Granite State, he'll be hard to stop in South Carolina. And if he sweeps those three, he may never look back.
Entrance polling showed Iowa Democrats responded strongly to Obama's message of change - half of Democrats said that the top quality they were looking for in a candidate was his or her ability to bring about change, and of those respondents, 51 percent voted for Obama...
2. Mike Huckabee. In May, Huckabee wasn't even on the radar screen in Iowa. At the end of the day, he was outspent, and he won what is always regarded as an "organizational race" without much of an organization...
3. John McCain. Sure, McCain finished essentially tied for third with Fred Thompson, but Romney's less than sterling showing...
4. Rudy Giuliani. The win by Huckabee means that the GOP race is as confused as ever, and that's a plus...
Iowa Losers
1. John Edwards. Anyone who listened to Edwards's caucus night speech had to be asking, "What's he smoking?"...
2. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Clinton's problem isn't that Edwards nosed her out for second; it's that caucus attendees preferred change over experience...
3. Mitt Romney. How do you go from a prohibitive favorite in the Iowa caucuses to a surprisingly distant runner-up to Mike Huckabee? Ask Romney. He did it...
Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20080104/cm_rcp/winners_losers_from_iowa |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| 1. John Edwards. Anyone who listened to Edwards's caucus night speech had to be asking, "What's he smoking?"... |
Now that's pretty funny. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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So, according to the mainstream "pundits" did our official 10% man Ron Paul "win" or "lose" in Iowa?
Not a single post-Iowa report (including CNN) i've come across thus far has even mentioned him.
Presumably his "message" can't be that significant. Must not be much of a player, eh? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Winners & Losers from Iowa - Stuart Rothenberg wrote: |
4. Rudy Giuliani. The win by Huckabee means that the GOP race is as confused as ever, and that's a plus...
Iowa Losers
1. John Edwards. Anyone who listened to Edwards's caucus night speech had to be asking, "What's he smoking?"... |
Stuart Rothenberg forget to mention Fred Thompson in that list. I thought he was doomed, but apparently he made a fairly decent showing.
Sadly, we can't write off Giuliani. It does seem as confusing as ever for who the Republicans will choose. At this point, it feels like different states are going to be selecting much different winners for the Republicans.
Interesting what he said about Edwards. I use to like him, but everytime I see him now, he seems to have changed for the negative. However, I'd say he had a 'win' as he got more votes than Hiliary. I didn't expect that. He seemed like a solid 3rd place kind of guy. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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At this point, it feels like different states are going to be selecting much different winners for the Republicans.
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This is true of both parties at this point. I think of the caucus/primary season as a horse race. The horses just broke out of the gate and Obama and Huckabee got off to the best start. Anything can happen. Who will stumble going around the turn? Who has the endurance to surge into the lead on the home stretch.
I think the whole system of choosing presidents is stupid, but highly entertaining. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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At this point, it feels like different states are going to be selecting much different winners for the Republicans.
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This is true of both parties at this point. I think of the caucus/primary season as a horse race. The horses just broke out of the gate and Obama and Huckabee got off to the best start. Anything can happen. Who will stumble going around the turn? Who has the endurance to surge into the lead on the home stretch.
I think the whole system of choosing presidents is stupid, but highly entertaining. |
Huckabee is going to have some challenges there. A lot of people are going to be looking him for the first time as an actual Presidential material. He hasn't been examined that closely as the other candidates. A lot of room to fall.
Obama seems to have the sustainability. But politics being politics, you never know what might happen. Hiliary is going to throwing a lot of mud his way, and sadly whatever she throws will be perpetuated strongly by the Right come election time. Wonder how this'll all play through. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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I'm not sure that Hillary will really go at Obama like everyone thinks she will. Clearly she wants the Dems to win next November, no matter who is running.
One of the things I took from the post caucus speeches that I don't think has been reported thoughtfully enough is how Edwards took it. Throwing him away with a "what is he smoking" seems like the media are painting him with the same brush that Dean got last time around. It seemed more than anything that Edwards knows this is his last shot, and he's taking it, all or nothing. He seems to be burning that Dem bridge as he goes though. I can't believe, at this point, that Edwards has a shot in hell, but he must. Will he just go back to suing corporations? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jVbCCOVnbwIhoHdCa99s2muTPJRAD8VE5F880
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Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.
Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.
Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.
Twelve automatic delegates bring the state's total to 57. Obama has been endorsed by four of those and Clinton three, with the remainder uncommitted.
Counting Iowa's results Saturday, an Associated Press delegate tally showed Obama with 1,610 delegates and Clinton with 1,496. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah I read about this as well. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the delegates that backed Edwards support. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Yeah I read about this as well. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the delegates that backed Edwards support. |
Or Edwards himself now that he's seen where his delegates are moving to. |
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