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seoulunitarian
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How about you answer? Is it possible, no matter how small that possibility is, that there is no god of any kind? |
GOD.. in my mind doesnt have to be person, god to me means superior power! that power to me can be the cause of the big bang! god might just be matter.. god might be a star! but there is a god! something made this universe! and what ever it is.. there is a cause.. and that cause is god!
heaven, hell, virgins, paradise, how the hell do I know!!!
jesus walked on water and cured blind people.. I dont think so..
the dali lama reincarnated! I dont think so..
moses went up the mountain and spoke to god! I dont know... seems alittle far fetched!
human beings came from bacteria in a puddle of water! whats the difference between that story and moses parting the red sea? far fetched isnt??
if the universe is infinite! then it seems possible that we can be created again! the same time, some place, same universe! think about it..
if it all started from bacteria in a swamp! billions of years ago.. whats the possibility that it can be done again billions of years later? if evolution has a way of repeating itself.. then we will all be here again..
which might seem like an infinity time frame will only be seconds when you exit your mothers belly!..
or perhaps we are already here on another planet billions of light years away. if it all started from a pool of water..
and if thats the case.. then life is infinite!!
talk about science fiction, fairy tales! black holes and expanding universes!! the possiblities are endless then arent they... |
It seems like you believe everything and nothing at the same time. I especially liked, "God might be a star."
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seoulunitarian
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I do not agree that atheists "want a world without morality" but honestly, what incentive do you have to treat others as you would be treated if you believe that this is the only life you have been given? Aside from the simple social imperative of avoiding disputes with your neighbours/obeying the law so as to avoid punishment, what reasoning can you provide for any ethics that people should live by?
I'm not arguing this to "prove" that there is a god, just wondering what justification you could provide for makind's conception of morality if there is no higher being who implemented the moral code in the first place.
For that matter, for what reason do we perceive beauty in the world around us? What drives our creative impulses? What evolutionary needs to these human abilities serve? |
I think most people do not understand what atheists mean when they say morals are evolutionarily derived. In a very real way, moral sentiments are "absolute" because they are hard-wired into our brains from the long process of human evolution. Now, what bothers a lot of theists about such an explanation, even though with this explanation theists and atheists arrive at very similar moralities, is that evolutionarily designed morals are foundationally selfish. This is only a problem, though, because all religions have done is put God in the place of evolution as the author of morals, making religion-based moral appear unselfishly motivated because the morals are supposedly dictated rather than naturally occurring.
I'll give one example from many I could give to demonstate the "Golden Rule Morality" in pre-religion times. Groups of human cave dwellers living circa 35,000 years ago have drawn cave paintings demonstrating the sharing of food from a hunting expedition, even with those of the troupe who were either lazy, unwilling, or unable to help provide the food. Why should the hunters who did all the work equally share the food with those who did not contribute to catching the kill? Jesus was still 33,000 years off. They probably did it for many reasons, some of which may be (1) in group loyalty, (2) reciprocal altruism [scratch my back, I'll scratch yours], (3) group pressure. For whatever natural, irreligious reasons, they shared. They "did unto others as they would have things done to themselves." This before the 10 commandments or any sage's teachings. Morality is a product of evolution.
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| blondebecky wrote: |
I do not agree that atheists "want a world without morality" but honestly, what incentive do you have to treat others as you would be treated if you believe that this is the only life you have been given? Aside from the simple social imperative of avoiding disputes with your neighbours/obeying the law so as to avoid punishment, what reasoning can you provide for any ethics that people should live by?
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Once again, Christopher Hitchens has the answer! 
| Christopher Hitchens said not wrote: |
Religion is an attack on our inate morality. When I debate religious people, one thing I always get is this: where would your morals come from if there was no God? If God is dead, isn�t everything permitted? Where would our ethics be if there was no superintending deity? This is a profound insult to us, our nature, our character. It is not the case that we do not set about butchering, raping and thieving only because we�re afraid of a divine punishment or because we�re looking for a divine reward. It�s an extraordinarily base and insulting thing to say to people.
On my mother�s side, some of my ancestry is Jewish. I don�t happen to believe the story of Moses in Egypt or the exile or the wandering in the Sinai � in fact Isreali archeology has shown there isn�t a word of truth to that story or any of the others. Nevertheless, take it to be true, and am I expected to believe that my mother�s ancestors got all the way to Mount Sinai under the impression until they got there that rape, murder, theft were okay only to be told when they got to the foot of Mount Sinai �bad news; none of these things is kosher after all � they�re all forbidden�?. I don�t think so. I think we have a better explanation in every sense. No-one would have been able to get as far as Mount Sinai or any other mountain in any other direction unless they had known that human solidarity demands that we look upon each other as brothers and sisters and that we forbid activities such as rape, murder and theft. It is inate to us. Those to whom it is not inate are sociopaths (who don�t understand the needs of anyone but themselves) and psychopaths (who positively take pleasure in breaking these rules). Well, according to one theory they are also made in the image of God which makes the image of God question rather problematic � or they can be explained with further and better research and restrained and disciplined but in no sense is religion a help to where we need it most � our morality, ethics.
Religious faith is surplus to requirements. If I was to ask �think of a wicked thing said or an evil thing done by a person of faith in the name of faith� no-one would have a second of hesitation in thinking of one, would they?
A religious broadcaster whom I debate asked me this: imagine you�re in a town late at night where you�ve never been before and have no friends and it�s getting dark. Through the darkness you see coming towards you a group of 10 men. Do you feel better or worse if you find out they are just coming home from a prayer meeting? I have had that experience in Belfast, Beiruit, Baghdad, Bombay, Bosnia and Bethlehem and if you see anyone coming from a religious gathering in any of those places, you know exactly how fast you need to run.
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Nearly all of the criticism of Mother Theresa came at about the time she came out against abortion.
Hitchens is simply a grasping, get rich quick artist whose schtick is attacks on what people believe. He has no redeeming qualities. |
If you can't touch the idea, touch the writer, right? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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fact is, people dont want a world without morality! and thats all that atheism brings! and you can debate that until the cows come home!
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I do not agree that atheists "want a world without morality" but honestly, what incentive do you have to treat others as you would be treated if you believe that this is the only life you have been given?
I'm not arguing this to "prove" that there is a god, just wondering what justification you could provide for makind's conception of morality if there is no higher being who implemented the moral code in the first place.
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Aside from the assumption, the thoroughly discredited assumption that "in the absence of god, everything is permissible" the other assumption that "Religion teaches morality" is utter nonsense.
Let's look a just two books in the NT. Luke and John:
# Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
# John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
# Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
# Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 11:23
# Those who "blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" will never be forgiven. 12:10
# God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
# According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
# Jesus also believes the story about Noah's flood and Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
# In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
John
# People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
# The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him." 5:16, 18
# John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." 7:1
# No one could speak openly about Jesus "for fear of the Jews." 7:13
# If you don't believe in Jesus, you will "die in your sins" (and then go to hell). 8:24
# Jesus calls his opponents (the Jews) the sons of the devil. 8:44
# Once again, "the Jews" are accused of trying to kill Jesus. 11:8
# If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48
# Jesus is the only way to heaven. All other religions lead to hell. 14:6
# John blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 19:7, 12, 14-15
# "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father."
If you follow Jesus' teachings, God will love you -- otherwise... well, you know. 14:21
# Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
# Now that Jesus has come, non-believers have no excuse for not believing in him. 15:22
# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the disciples hid in locked room "for fear of the Jews." 20:19
Acts
# Peter blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 3:14-15
# Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
# God will torture forever those who don't know the password to heaven. 4:12
# Once again, Peter accuses the Jews of murdering Jesus. 5:30
# Stephen blames the Jews for persecuting the prophets and murdering Jesus. 7:51-52
# After Saul "increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews," the "Jews took counsel to kill him." 9:22-23
# The Jews are again blamed for the death of Jesus. 10:39
# Herod kills James the brother of John and imprisons Peter "because he saw it pleased the Jews." 12:1-3
# The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
# Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
# The Jews of Antioch, after seeing Paul's success in preaching, were envious and blasphemed God. Paul then declares them to be "unworthy of everlasting life." 13:45-46
# Once again "the Jews stirred up" trouble and "raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts." 13:50
# "The unbelieving Jews" stir up trouble again for Paul and incite the people to try to stone him to death. 14:2-5
# In Thessalonica, "the Jews which believed not, moved with envy" stir up trouble for Paul and his friends. 17:5, 13
# "And when they [the Jews of Corinth] opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he [Paul] shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads." (Have a nice day?) 18:6
# "The Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat." 18:12
# The first Christian book burning occurs when Paul's converts at Ephesus burn 50,000 silver pieces worth of books. 19:19
# Poor Paul complains, once again, of being mistreated by "the Jews." 20:19
# The Jews, once again, incite the people to kill poor old Paul 21:27, 31
# The Jews form a grand conspiracy to kill Paul. They vow not to eat until the job is done. 23:12-15
# Claudius saves Paul from being killed by the Jews. 23:27
# Those pesky Jews caught Paul and and tried to kill him. But he got away. Darn! 26:21
Romans
# "The wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 1:18-20
# The existence and nature of God are self-evident; thus, unbelievers are "without excuse." 1:20
# Atheists have dark and foolish hearts. 1:21
# God abandons those who don't know him to "uncleanness and vile affections." 1:24, 26, 28
# With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
# Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
# Paul says that those who accuse him of lying deserve damnation. 3:8
# "He that doubteth is damned ... Whosoever is not of faith is sin." 14:23
# Shun those who disagree with your religious views. 16:17
If you can stomach it, here is the rest: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html
So, you can stop this nonsense that religion teaches morality. Religion, with maybe the exception of Jains, does nothing of the sort. And Christians can shut the hell up about morality. Jesus H. Christ, look at Christian texts/history! |
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itaewonguy
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Listen I don�t need to read books that you recommend which were written by atheists or even other men! Those are just nothing more than opinions from another human mind! If you chose to use those books as your bible be my guest
Or you chose to follow what wikipedia says again you do that! But just because it�s written down from a mans opinion doesn�t make it so..
Morality: you need to understand human beings are simple!
Human beings are designed to be sheep and follow
If there was a world with no god! Then who do they follow? MAN??
Mans good will, mans code of ethics?? Think about it lets say we went the atheist route for the past 2000 years. We would have all destroyed each other by now!! The world would not be the same at all. Not to mention bleek! Because the atheist would tell the children! HEY little boys and girls! There is no Father Christmas! Stop being stupid and believing in fairies! NOT enough CREATIVITY! The WORLD would be bleek� Christmas, the Red Cross Salvation Army, even though they can be run by atheists it doesn�t add up. Because you don�t answer to anyone! So like I said...
It�s like children when someone says if you do that I won�t be your friend...
�I don�t care� replies the child.. if you don�t stop that I will tell the teacher!� bingo!!
You see atheists have no place in this world of humans! You guys can argue your points until the flying pink elephants fly past my window... you guys will never relinquish your arguments. That�s because you are not looking at the big picture! You are only looking at your cause! I guess you can say religion and belief in god is a way to keep order in this world... sure doesn�t stop people from killing... Imagine a life with no god!!?
Atheists will NEVER get the upper hand! If you ask me you are fighting an impossible fight! Science will not even save you�because it will take a man to assemble and dissemble the universe to fully understand how it works.
But hey, maybe one day that will happen er.. just like maybe santa claus will come visit me one of these days.. �. Ill bet on the ladder..
Emmm so do atheist enjoy christmas? Or do they just tell the kids at 2 years old..
THERE IS NO SANTA!!! THERE IS NO TOOTH FAIRY!!! OK!! Understand!!!
There is no GOD!! All dogs DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN!!! Wow I�d hate to be your children!!
Can anyone say THE GRINCH!!! |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| blondebecky wrote: |
| I do not agree that atheists "want a world without morality" but honestly, what incentive do you have to treat others as you would be treated if you believe that this is the only life you have been given? |
Are you saying if you had 100% solid evidence there was no god, you would go out and rape, steal, and murder? The only thing keeping you from killing your neighbor is the promise of heaven? Geez. I'm glad I'm not your friend.
It would seem to me basic morality isn't an arbitrary set of rules god laid down. They are right because they are right for a good and happy life, this life and the after life. Surely god wouldn't decide "oh hmmm on the murder question... seems so arbitrary so let's make murder a sin..." |
Actually, a good Athiest is inherently better than a good Christian, because the Athiest does it of his/her own free will while the Christian is because they were told to and there is a reward for it.
Also, in the States atleast, the most religious areas have the worst amount of crime, most of it being the most severe too (rape, incest, murder, etc). |
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Billy Pilgrim
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Listen I don�t need to read books that you recommend which were written by atheists or even other men! Those are just nothing more than opinions from another human mind! If you chose to use those books as your bible be my guest
Or you chose to follow what wikipedia says again you do that! But just because it�s written down from a mans opinion doesn�t make it so..
Morality: you need to understand human beings are simple!
Human beings are designed to be sheep and follow
If there was a world with no god! Then who do they follow? MAN??
Mans good will, mans code of ethics?? Think about it lets say we went the atheist route for the past 2000 years. We would have all destroyed each other by now!! The world would not be the same at all. Not to mention bleek! Because the atheist would tell the children! HEY little boys and girls! There is no Father Christmas! Stop being stupid and believing in fairies! NOT enough CREATIVITY! The WORLD would be bleek� Christmas, the Red Cross Salvation Army, even though they can be run by atheists it doesn�t add up. Because you don�t answer to anyone! So like I said...
It�s like children when someone says if you do that I won�t be your friend...
�I don�t care� replies the child.. if you don�t stop that I will tell the teacher!� bingo!!
You see atheists have no place in this world of humans! You guys can argue your points until the flying pink elephants fly past my window... you guys will never relinquish your arguments. That�s because you are not looking at the big picture! You are only looking at your cause! I guess you can say religion and belief in god is a way to keep order in this world... sure doesn�t stop people from killing... Imagine a life with no god!!?
Atheists will NEVER get the upper hand! If you ask me you are fighting an impossible fight! Science will not even save you�because it will take a man to assemble and dissemble the universe to fully understand how it works.
But hey, maybe one day that will happen er.. just like maybe santa claus will come visit me one of these days.. �. Ill bet on the ladder..
Emmm so do atheist enjoy christmas? Or do they just tell the kids at 2 years old..
THERE IS NO SANTA!!! THERE IS NO TOOTH FAIRY!!! OK!! Understand!!!
There is no GOD!! All dogs DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN!!! Wow I�d hate to be your children!!
Can anyone say THE GRINCH!!! |
You'll probably take this as a compliment, but this post makes your earlier posts seem coherent and logical by comparison. My advice: stop, breath, think about what you want to write, and then do it. This is just utter drivel. |
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thepeel
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So,
1) you say religion is necessary for morality
2) I show you the morality of your angry little religion
3) You rail about atheists.
This is called "blind faith" by those sensitive to the feelings of the religious. I call it unforgivable chosen ignorance.
You are unprepared or unwilling to educate yourself on your own religion, the criticisms of your religion (as in, did Jesus even exist?) and what exactly this thing called 'atheism' is.
So, why comment on it?
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So, maybe a new round of religious pogroms are in order?
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| You guys can argue your points until the flying pink elephants fly past my window... |
Flying pink elephants are every bit as likely to happen as JC rising from the dead or you going to heaven/hell.
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| you guys will never relinquish your arguments. |
Damn right. Our arguments are intellectual. Yours are emotional and ignorant.
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| That�s because you are not looking at the big picture! You are only looking at your cause! |
No. Somebody says to me "god sent his son to earth to get tortured to death for your sins and this god is so insecure that he made you yet demands you worship him or go to hell" and I say "where is the evidence for this claim" and the nutters say "the bible" and I saw "where is the evidence for the validity of the bible" and the nutters say "the bible" and so on and so on.
I'm not looking at the big picture? Camon.
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What kind of order? The dark ages? The muslim world? Nutty xtians running around voting for huckabee in America? People who keep homosexuals as second class citizens for religious reason? What kind of order?
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Your religious text causes killings.
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I have a life with no god. I do not need to imagine it. It is excellent.
What the believers don't understand is how liberating it feels to finally shake off these silly ideas. It is wonderful. |
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thepeel
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Emmm so do atheist enjoy christmas? Or do they just tell the kids at 2 years old..
THERE IS NO SANTA!!! THERE IS NO TOOTH FAIRY!!! OK!! Understand!!!
There is no GOD!! All dogs DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN!!! Wow I�d hate to be your children!!
Can anyone say THE GRINCH!!! |
http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com/ |
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JMO
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Location: Daegu
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| can anyone tell me if I-guy is saying anything coherent? I black out one sentence into his posts. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Listen I don�t need to read books that you recommend which were written by atheists or even other men! Those are just nothing more than opinions from another human mind! If you chose to use those books as your bible be my guest
Or you chose to follow what wikipedia says again you do that! But just because it�s written down from a mans opinion doesn�t make it so..
Morality: you need to understand human beings are simple!
Human beings are designed to be sheep and follow
If there was a world with no god! Then who do they follow? MAN??
Mans good will, mans code of ethics?? Think about it lets say we went the atheist route for the past 2000 years. We would have all destroyed each other by now!! The world would not be the same at all. Not to mention bleek! Because the atheist would tell the children! HEY little boys and girls! There is no Father Christmas! Stop being stupid and believing in fairies! NOT enough CREATIVITY! The WORLD would be bleek� Christmas, the Red Cross Salvation Army, even though they can be run by atheists it doesn�t add up. Because you don�t answer to anyone! So like I said...
It�s like children when someone says if you do that I won�t be your friend...
�I don�t care� replies the child.. if you don�t stop that I will tell the teacher!� bingo!!
You see atheists have no place in this world of humans! You guys can argue your points until the flying pink elephants fly past my window... you guys will never relinquish your arguments. That�s because you are not looking at the big picture! You are only looking at your cause! I guess you can say religion and belief in god is a way to keep order in this world... sure doesn�t stop people from killing... Imagine a life with no god!!?
Atheists will NEVER get the upper hand! If you ask me you are fighting an impossible fight! Science will not even save you�because it will take a man to assemble and dissemble the universe to fully understand how it works.
But hey, maybe one day that will happen er.. just like maybe santa claus will come visit me one of these days.. �. Ill bet on the ladder..
Emmm so do atheist enjoy christmas? Or do they just tell the kids at 2 years old..
THERE IS NO SANTA!!! THERE IS NO TOOTH FAIRY!!! OK!! Understand!!!
There is no GOD!! All dogs DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN!!! Wow I�d hate to be your children!!
Can anyone say THE GRINCH!!! |
You'll probably take this as a compliment, but this post makes your earlier posts seem coherent and logical by comparison. My advice: stop, breath, think about what you want to write, and then do it. This is just utter drivel. |
arrhhh the man who cant take the criticism!!
truth hurts doesnt it!!! 
and when are you actually going to say something of importance! im still waiting for an original idea .. I guess Ive got better chances of meeting the tooth fairy than that happening..
hey I KNOW.. why dont you quote dawkins! or copy and paste from wikipedia.. becuase Jeez if its in there it must be true!!! |
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ryouga013
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This guy was interviewed for Penn and Teller's show "[3v[[ $]-[!++ "
Penn And Teller's [3v[[ $]-[!++ is freaking awesome... maybe it's partially because I am pessimistic in nature half of the time |
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itaewonguy
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| thepeel wrote: |
I have a life with no god. I do not need to imagine it. It is excellent.
What the believers don't understand is how liberating it feels to finally shake off these silly ideas. It is wonderful. |
well we cant all be selfish like you now can we!
we have 6 billion people to keep in order!
if we tell them all there is no god! there is no faith!
close down all the churches! stop pretending in fairy tales!!
its time for the new revolution!!! JESUS! you guys might as well call yourselves hitler!!!
their is no god in your world! good for you... but why do you try so hard to push it onto others??
like I said earlier.. you guys are more annoying than those religious freaks knocking on my doors! you are all one in the same! all with a confused message!!!
you said you speak with intelligent conversation! you speak of science or facts!!
yeah is that right?!! then why cant you prove to me that their is no god!!?
so until you can clearly show me that you atheists have unlocked all the secrets of the universe and the power of life.. I think we had better just shut up and keep believing in fairy tales!!
because your disbelief in god! is nothing more than a fairytale it self!
you have no facts! and you have no evidence! so you believe in your science.. same same only different!!
keep battling the christians until the pink elephants fly! becuase everyone has no facts! but atheists are the most arrogant of them all!!
thinking they are so right! becuase they have science on their side!!
GIVE ME A F U C K I N G break!!! you guys dont have SQUAT!!!
and you know it!!! your only argument is neither do the christians!!!
AND!! how does this all make you right!!!!?
listen to yourselves!! you guys have cult status written all over you!
ohh sorry that you guys cant understand my posts! I guess its hard to swallow when someone keeps putting you in your place!
being agnostic is the best way!!
you clowns are exactly that! a circus!!
hey I dont agree with the christians and muslims but I will choose their side over the atheists anyday !!
they do have a good solid way of life! and if you travel the world as much as I have you will see its an amazing thing having religion in peoples lives!
all the great marvels around us have spawn from religion or some belief in gods, ! from wars, to love, to everyday way of lives! its makes us who we are.. and you want to destroy that?? I think you guys will be put into a fire before that happens..
besides im not much of a cult follower! basically its full of nut jobs!
ohh and THE PEEL! and the rest of your followers! yes it is a free world! thats why you have a platform to express your feelings and disbelief in god.. 200 years ago they would have chopped your heads off in the town square and made a joke of you!!  |
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