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chronicpride
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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: New Hampshire Debate discussion thread |
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Anyone know where I can find a live feed of the debate?
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for putting up that link, cp. I'm sitting here waiting for the Dems to begin.
Do you know if they Republican debate video will be available here later? I'd like to see how some of the enemy did. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Did anyone catch Hillary Clinton's mad rant and then Richardson's quip, "I've been in hostage negociations that are freindlier then this."
Wow |
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Beeyee
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for putting up that link, cp. I'm sitting here waiting for the Dems to begin.
Do you know if they Republican debate video will be available here later? I'd like to see how some of the enemy did. |
Still stuck in the false left-right paradigm? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Are you saying that the present Republican administration has done an adequate and acceptable job in running the country? |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Are you saying that the present Republican administration has done an adequate and acceptable job in running the country? |
Beeyee, may I?
What he is saying is that the two-party system has become a charade. What you have are two wings of the same party. They are funded by the same corporations and peopled by the same apparatus. In 2004, the largest contributor for Bush was the president of Citibank; for Kerry, it's vice-president. Both parties are controlled by the same 1% of the population which controls 90% of the wealth of the country, and the same 5,000 people who average 14 corporate directorships per person. It is an oligarchy of a corrupt capitalist system in terminal decay addicted to permanent war.
All of the leading Democrats want to stay in Iraq at least until 2013. Just where is the choice here? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| You are right in one thing; both parties think RP is a fringe candidate. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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After watching, I thought Hillary did pretty well. I generally like Obama, but I don't think that was a great showing on his part. Good, but not great.
Edwards came off as very sincere, as did Richardson, but they didn't seem very presidential. Well, Edwards more so than Richardson. Maybe I was influenced by Richardson being slightly marginalized by the debate forum producers.
My two cents.
Edit: It did look like Obama and Edwards were teaming up on Hillary at points during the debate. A "double-team" as that local NH guy who came in to ask questions observed.
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chronicpride
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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I think Edward did great and will benefit the most from this debate. Hillary also had some great moments, but the media is going to play out her moments of anger. It's a gender double-standard, but if Edwards showed that kind of heat that Hill did, it would escape notice. But the media loves when a giant takes a fall and an underdog is on the rise. Obama parried well, but not as much as he could have. Instead, he took the high road and emphasized that they need to rise above distortion of each other's records. He also had that good moment when he retorted "Words do inspire..." That will likely get media play, too. But my take overall is that Obama doesn't gain or lose from this debate, Edwards moves up, Hillary maybe moves up a smidge.
I think the current hype of Obama will propel him to a win in NH, regardless of the debate, but the fight for #2 could be very interesting as a result of the debate.
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Obama is not strongest in the debates. He's strongest on the stump.
Hillary is the opposite. She shines in debates, but is not as inspirational as Barack while campaigning.
I thought Richardson did well. His answer to the last question was fantastic, meanwhile neither Hillar or Barack answered it at all. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| All of the leading Democrats want to stay in Iraq at least until 2013. Just where is the choice here? |
This is not what they said during this debate. Edwards said all the troops would be out within 9-10 months and there would be no permanent bases. Richardson said all the troops would be out within a year. Clinton said she would begin a withdrawal within 60 days but I didn't hear an 'all troops out' comment. Obama said something about a phased withdrawal, but again I didn't hear a final deadline.
I largely agree with caniff. I don't think Richardson came off all that well. He's got the experience for the job, but he just seemed out-classed in the debate.
I liked Edwards' passion and some of his ideas. I didn't like it that he backed off his 'go after 'em' rhetoric and switched to agreeing about coalition building. I think if he really were presidential timber, he wouldn't be campaigning in the attack mode. It's too bad he hasn't harnessed his passion into a more positive, constructive message.
I was a little disappointed in Obama. I thought he didn't come off as the leader and he didn't launch into any inspired answer. He needs to borrow a little of Edwards' passion. He was OK, but not as on his toes as I was hoping to see. I was hoping to be blown away by him and I wasn't.
Clinton came off quite well except for that one little bit where Richardson reined her in with his comment. She's getting a bad rap in the experience department. She has been active for 35 years, but that does not make her status quo. Just being a woman who is seriously being considered for the job is a major accomplishment.
I do really like how all of them are avoiding negativity and rancor. That sometimes is good TV but not good government. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| All of the leading Democrats want to stay in Iraq at least until 2013. Just where is the choice here? |
This is not what they said during this debate. Edwards said all the troops would be out within 9-10 months and there would be no permanent bases. Richardson said all the troops would be out within a year. Clinton said she would begin a withdrawal within 60 days but I didn't hear an 'all troops out' comment. Obama said something about a phased withdrawal, but again I didn't hear a final deadline. |
Ya-Ta, thanks for correcting the distortion about the Democrats plan about leaving Iraq. I believe Obama wants a phased pull out over a year or so. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I think Edward did great and will benefit the most from this debate. Hillary also had some great moments, but the media is going to play out her moments of anger. It's a gender double-standard, but if Edwards showed that kind of heat that Hill did, it would escape notice. But the media loves when a giant takes a fall and an underdog is on the rise. Obama parried well, but not as much as he could have. Instead, he took the high road and emphasized that they need to rise above distortion of each other's records. He also had that good moment when he retorted "Words do inspire..." That will likely get media play, too. But my take overall is that Obama doesn't gain or lose from this debate, Edwards moves up, Hillary maybe moves up a smidge.
I think the current hype of Obama will propel him to a win in NH, regardless of the debate, but the fight for #2 could be very interesting as a result of the debate. |
CP,
I tend to agree with you about Obama really gaining nor losing. I was surprised that Edwards came to Obama's defense when Hillary attacked him, which I guess gives him credit for being civil.
I think Clinton needs to finish first or second, though she really needs the win to survive. If NH is a reply of Iowa, Clinton will be limping into the Feb 5th primaries. |
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