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What's The Ideal Age To Come And Live And Work In Korea?
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What is the ideal age to come and live and work in South Korea?
Almost immediately after graduation
26%
 26%  [ 24 ]
25-29
41%
 41%  [ 38 ]
30-34
7%
 7%  [ 7 ]
35-39
3%
 3%  [ 3 ]
40-49
1%
 1%  [ 1 ]
50+
2%
 2%  [ 2 ]
Age is only a number
17%
 17%  [ 16 ]
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ABC KID



Joined: 14 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: What's The Ideal Age To Come And Live And Work In Korea? Reply with quote

What do you think is the IDEAL age to come and live and work in South Korea? Please explain your answers...
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think fresh out of college is a very good option, to be honest.

First, you don't have the maturity required to come here - yeah, I know folks out of college think they are old and mature blah blah blah, I've been there, I've done that and I know that aint so. Korea is such a different place from the West, that fresh graduates often find it such a shock that they become really depressed about things. For the record, I came to Korea when I was 22, fresh out of graduate school. So when I say I've been there, done that and didn't get a t-shirt, I mean precisely that.

Second of all, I think you lose some marketability back home if your first job isn't in your home country, and not relevant to what you are educated to do. Quite a number of people I know tell me they have a tough time finding jobs back home because they have no experience whatsoever in their homeland. Mostly this is because their degree subject is different from their actual job experience (e.g. a computer science graduate with job experience only in English teaching).

I opted between 25-29. I think that's the best age because you will have experienced working at home, gained a few years of work experience that is really needed in terms of polishing your people skills.

But this is just my opinion Wink
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Bryan



Joined: 29 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
I don't think fresh out of college is a very good option, to be honest.

First, you don't have the maturity required to come here - yeah, I know folks out of college think they are old and mature blah blah blah, I've been there, I've done that and I know that aint so. Korea is such a different place from the West, that fresh graduates often find it such a shock that they become really depressed about things. For the record, I came to Korea when I was 22, fresh out of graduate school. So when I say I've been there, done that and didn't get a t-shirt, I mean precisely that.


I don't understand this line of reasoning. Is a young person guaranteed to 'become depressed about things' in Korea, and an older person immune from it? It seems like the most depressed posters here are not young. Please justify.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bryan wrote:
tzechuk wrote:
I don't think fresh out of college is a very good option, to be honest.

First, you don't have the maturity required to come here - yeah, I know folks out of college think they are old and mature blah blah blah, I've been there, I've done that and I know that aint so. Korea is such a different place from the West, that fresh graduates often find it such a shock that they become really depressed about things. For the record, I came to Korea when I was 22, fresh out of graduate school. So when I say I've been there, done that and didn't get a t-shirt, I mean precisely that.


I don't understand this line of reasoning. Is a young person guaranteed to 'become depressed about things' in Korea, and an older person immune from it? It seems like the most depressed posters here are not young. Please justify.


That's my reasoning, I am not saying all. I am saying *often*. I am saying that often times, fresh graduates without a lot of experience come to Korea with high hopes and little research. They get in the middle of a scam and that kills some hope. No friends, no family, no money, and as they've never experienced anything like this, they have no idea how they can deal with it, so they fall into depression. That's all.
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Funky Chunk



Joined: 29 Sep 2007
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with tzechuk. I came a week after my 22nd birthday and right out of college. As an education major, I was prepared for the job and enjoyed teaching. But as a person I wasn't ready for life on the other side of the world. I was a bit on the timid side and allowed my overly negative Canadian co-workers to taint my impression of the country without being bold enough to go out and explore on my own. Now at 27 I'm back again and better equipped to make the most of my stay here.

Now of course my experience won't hold true for all, but it does seem that the few extra years wouldn't hurt most others as well.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh out of university, for sure.

1) You can get more money than back home.

2) Although you have no "experience", you will undoubtedly gain some by coming to Korea.

3) It's a real test of character, especially for someone with limited exposure to other countries/cultures.

4) It's the best time for what Koreans want - young, handsome/pretty whitie. Remember, you are their cheapest (monetarily) option. Older, more experienced people cost more.

5) You can pay off student loans much faster than back home (related to #1).

6) You can live rent-free at a time in your life when rent is expensive (also related to #1)

I'm sure I'm forgetting other advantages...
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bryan wrote:

I don't understand this line of reasoning. Is a young person guaranteed to 'become depressed about things' in Korea, and an older person immune from it? It seems like the most depressed posters here are not young. Please justify.


I came here when I was 22, which was just a little over six months ago, and I don't think my age made or broke me in terms of feeling prepared for this place. However, from what I have witnessed with a lot of other people who came over my age though is that a lot of them simply weren't / aren't ready for the responsibility yet. That is because they've never had responsibility before.

I think if you're 22 and one of those types who've never had a job before or lived away from home... then do so in your home country first or you'll get walked over here. If you're like me, and have had 10 jobs or so and lived away from home since you were 17, then you'll be just fine.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
Bryan wrote:

I don't understand this line of reasoning. Is a young person guaranteed to 'become depressed about things' in Korea, and an older person immune from it? It seems like the most depressed posters here are not young. Please justify.


I came here when I was 22, which was just a little over six months ago, and I don't think my age made or broke me in terms of feeling prepared for this place. However, from what I have witnessed with a lot of other people who came over my age though is that a lot of them simply weren't / aren't ready for the responsibility yet. That is because they've never had responsibility before.

I think if you're 22 and one of those types who've never had a job before or lived away from home... then do so in your home country first or you'll get walked over here. If you're like me, and have had 10 jobs or so and lived away from home since you were 17, then you'll be just fine.


I agree with this.

I didn't mention, also, that I had had a number of jobs in the UK before I came to Korea, and I didn't come here without already knowing someone (my husband, boyfriend, then!). Still, I was shocked and was quite unhappy on a number of occasions, so much so I enlisted the help of the head psychatrist from Yonsei University, at the recommendation of Dr. Linton. Thank goodness I am a naturally happy, gregarious person, so that I got used to Korea, and snapped out of things without ever needing medication.

How would others, shyer people fare? I don't think I would even venture a guess...
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MarionG



Joined: 14 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came at 61, great decision...
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:

and I didn't come here without already knowing someone (my husband, boyfriend, then!).


Yes, that is so important. I didn't know anyone when I came but I made a ton of friends from back home immediately upon arrival, one of whom lived with me and a few others live in the same area.

I'm not really a people person, or even an outgoing one, but I think my tolerance meter is quite high because of past experiences (I worked a lot of really bad jobs, was in the military, had some pretty terrible living conditions as a part of being a student, et cetera, all of which made it bearable here for me).

Korea isn't bad at all. My opinion of Korea is significantly higher than that of the rest of this board, but... I think Korea is the kind of place you could theoretically go crazy in if you didn't have the right network. No one speaks your language, and if you have a problem and no network no one will step in to help you. It really is the wild west as far as young jobs is concerned. Many of my peers moved to Alberta, I came here, and as such I take a lot more risks.

I got through okay, but when I find out I have a friend back home who wants to come here I always meddle with it and steer their way here because I know how badly it *could* suck for someone who isn't lucky.
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Vlad Spinner



Joined: 09 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're about 12 years old, you'll be at roughly the same level of mental and emotional development as most of your Korean peers.

Sad but true.

Korea--the country which refuses to grow up.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came pretty fresh out of university. That being said, I lived and worked abroad for a year between High School and University, so I am probably a bit more experienced than many recent-grads.

I think to come to Korea soon after University is probably the best option. It would be much harder, I feel, to come to Korea and leave everything behind after you have spent a few years establishing yourself in your home country (career etc). That being said, I am fortunate in the fact that my degree is in English, so a year (or two) teaching in Korea would be quite a boon to my resume, that and teaching in Korea is quite exotic for South Africans, (unlike in Canada where everyone seems to know someone who has taught in korea from what I've heard).

As another poster mentioned, a younger teacher is often more hireable than an older teacher which could also potentially open some extra doors if one plans on spending more time in Korea.

Finally, I've discussed this point with other recent grads in Korea and a point often raised when asked whether they will stay on for another year or two is: "It's ok for a 24-25 year old to go back home and get an entry-level job and work themself up, but as you get older it becomes much harder to start at the bottom". This is something I'm also worried about, but I guess I'll cross that bridge when the time comes.
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esetters21



Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
tzechuk wrote:

and I didn't come here without already knowing someone (my husband, boyfriend, then!).


Yes, that is so important. I didn't know anyone when I came but I made a ton of friends from back home immediately upon arrival, one of whom lived with me and a few others live in the same area.

I'm not really a people person, or even an outgoing one, but I think my tolerance meter is quite high because of past experiences (I worked a lot of really bad jobs, was in the military, had some pretty terrible living conditions as a part of being a student, et cetera, all of which made it bearable here for me).

Korea isn't bad at all. My opinion of Korea is significantly higher than that of the rest of this board, but... I think Korea is the kind of place you could theoretically go crazy in if you didn't have the right network. No one speaks your language, and if you have a problem and no network no one will step in to help you. It really is the wild west as far as young jobs is concerned. Many of my peers moved to Alberta, I came here, and as such I take a lot more risks.

I got through okay, but when I find out I have a friend back home who wants to come here I always meddle with it and steer their way here because I know how badly it *could* suck for someone who isn't lucky.


Why is it that almost every Canadian that I have come into contact with in Korea just so happens to have a lot of friends from their home country working here as well? Is the job market in Canada that bleak, or are there other reasons beyond the "I'm paying off students loans" or "I like to travel?" I have been curious about this for some time.
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esetters21



Joined: 30 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:


4) It's the best time for what Koreans want - young, handsome/pretty whitie. Remember, you are their cheapest (monetarily) option. Older, more experienced people cost more.



Sure they may like to show your pictures to prospective parents, but having been here long enough it is obvious to me that they actually do want good teachers that produce results regardless of age and looks. Young and pretty only gets you so far.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

esetters21 wrote:
Hanson wrote:


4) It's the best time for what Koreans want - young, handsome/pretty whitie. Remember, you are their cheapest (monetarily) option. Older, more experienced people cost more.



Sure they may like to show your pictures to prospective parents, but having been here long enough it is obvious to me that they actually do want good teachers that produce results regardless of age and looks. Young and pretty only gets you so far.


Sorry to be blunt, but tell that to 50-year-olds, gyopos and blacks. They want good teachers who are also young and white, and therefore, cheaper.
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