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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: Re: Why are so many guys so unromantic??? |
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| princess wrote: |
| Girls, let the man be the man. Let him carry your purse, open the door for you, and do things for you. Let him order for you in a restaurant, etc. |
What?!
We ain't your daddies and you ain't six. You can carry your own purse and order your own damned ribs at TGI Fridays.
I ain't read so much damned nonsense since I was last over in the Current Events forum... |
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OBXman7

Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Location: on baboshirts.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Why are so many guys so unromantic??? |
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| twg wrote: |
| princess wrote: |
| Girls, let the man be the man. Let him carry your purse, open the door for you, and do things for you. Let him order for you in a restaurant, etc. |
What?!
We ain't your daddies and you ain't six. You can carry your own purse and order your own damned ribs at TGI Fridays.
I ain't read so much damned nonsense since I was last over in the Current Events forum... |
Double negatives, imaginary words, sentence structure...you teach English? J/K bro. Now we're even for the taco bell diss. (insert stupid emoticon so that twg knows I'm just kidding with him) |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Why are so many guys so unromantic??? |
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| princess wrote: |
| Wow! Girls, let the man be the man. Let him carry your purse, |
Korean guy carries your purse.
Korean guy throws you to the curb [after throwing you down stairs] because mommy told him to.
What are the odds? |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Why are so many guys so unromantic??? |
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| OBXman7 wrote: |
| Double negatives, imaginary words, sentence structure...you teach English? J/K bro. Now we're even for the taco bell diss. (insert stupid emoticon so that twg knows I'm just kidding with him) |
Just as long as you don't land an airplane in front of my house to practice your martial arts mastery at me, I'll sleep comfortably tonight. |
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taobenli
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an article for you to read, Little Princess (though I dislike the Bill and Hilary photo- I don't know what that proves...)
http://www.theage.com.au/news/relationships/feminists-make-better-wives-study/2007/11/20/1195321743204.html
Take a feminist out to dinner.
That's the advice of a social psychologist who concludes in a new study that feminists make better partners and have stronger romantic relationships.
Laurie Rudman of Rutgers University had found in earlier research that negative stereotypes of feminists - that they're unattractive, man-hating lesbians, in a nutshell - cause young adults to distance themselves from the "F-word" and tone down their demands for equality.
A majority of college-age respondents agreed with such statements as "Most men would probably not want to date a feminist" and "Romance depends, in part, on men being allowed to be in charge."
This was alarming to Rudman, who is old enough to remember the heyday of the women's rights movement in the 1970s. Continued efforts to achieve gender equality could be seriously hurt, she reasoned, if women (and men) think it comes at the expense of love.
So, with the help of graduate student Julie Phelan, she set about trying to determine if there was any truth to the notion that feminists are more likely than traditional women to have crummy relationships.
The results, appearing in the online edition of the peer-reviewed journal Sex Roles, show that for both women and men there was a benefit to having a feminist partner. Feminist women were also more likely than others to be in a romantic relationship.
"If you're a woman paired with a male feminist," said Rudman, "you have a healthier relationship across the board" - better in terms of relationship quality, equality, stability and sexual satisfaction.
"And men paired with female feminists have greater sexual satisfaction and greater relationship stability," she said. "So, (there were) higher scores on two of the four dimensions, with no difference on the other two."
There you have it: Feminists are sexy.
"Contrary to popular beliefs, feminism does not disrupt men's pleasure in the bedroom," said Rudman.
That makes perfect sense to counsellors like Gina Ogden, who says "the cultural missionary position - man on top" isn't conducive to romance.
"If a relationship is based on authoritarian control, keeping one person on top and the other underneath, it gets old pretty fast - for both partners, really," said Ogden, a Boston sex therapist who surveyed 3,810 people for her book The Heart and Soul of Sex.
"In an egalitarian relationship, there is more flow of give and take," she said, "and that's the romantic tension. That tension - the sexual desire - is in that space between you where you're able to flow back and forth."
In her experience, said Ogden, "where there's caring, sharing, openness and honesty, sexual satisfaction increases. It not only feels good now, but it is likely to get better and better as you age."
For the study, the Rutgers researchers designed two surveys, one for college students in the laboratory and the other an online questionnaire for older adults.
The subjects - 513 students and 471 adults aged 18-65 recruited online - were asked how they felt about career women and whether they considered themselves feminists. They were also asked about their partners' feminist identity and attitudes.
Not surprisingly, feminism scores among the subjects were tepid. The mean for women in the college group was 6.2 on a 10-point scale, and the mean for men was only 4.9. (The men's average score was slightly higher in the older, online group.)
Next, they were asked a series of questions intended to get at four measures of relationship health: quality (for example, "How often do you and your partner laugh together?"), equality ("How often do you and your partner disagree about your role in the relationship?"), stability ("How often do you think about finding another partner?") and sexual satisfaction ("How often have you considered having a sexual relationship with someone other than your partner?").
As for the notion that strong, independent women can't get a date, Rudman and Phelan asked the subjects about their sexual orientation, whether they were currently in a relationship, and how attractive they thought they were ("I seem to be very popular with the opposite sex").
It turned out that self-identified feminists were no more likely to be homosexual or to consider themselves unattractive, Rudman said: "There's zero correlation." And they actually had a better chance of having a romantic partner.
"There goes the spinster idea," said Rudman. "If you're a feminist, men are slightly more likely to want to be in a relationship with you." |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Why are so many guys so unromantic??? |
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| princess wrote: |
| I think we can thank all the die-hard feminists out there who make western girls look bad. You know, those manly acting women who don't even want doors held open for them. They make sweet feminine girls like me look bad. I love it when a Korean guy holds my purse or holds the door for me. I think these die-hard "I can do everything for myself" white girls are making guys treat girls like men.. |
Do you know why there is evil in the world, Princess?
Because god created Eve.
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rockstarsmooth

Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Location: anyang, baybee!
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I'm a die hard romantic and to tell you the truth... Western girls HATE die hard romantics. They may not admit it, but they do. At least that has been my experience. I found that the few girls I dated back home felt that my acts of chivalry and courtship (ie: flowers, cheek kisses, gifts, elaborate dates et cetera) somehow infringed on their ability to be fully actualized, autonomous, individualistic, empowered "womyn"-bots. Yup.
Maybe it was because I dated the kind of girl who didn't shave their armpits, but it was either that or date pinky-Ms. Pinkenheimer with a brain the size of a peanut.
Anyway, I'm happily in a relationship with a Korean girl who loves and savours my die-hard romanticism as well as my chivalry. She is kind, intelligent, and many other good qualities as well. So everything is peachy. |
has she started cheating on you yet?
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right now i'm listening to: the coup - hip 2 the skeme |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
I'm a die hard romantic and to tell you the truth... Western girls HATE die hard romantics. They may not admit it, but they do. At least that has been my experience. I found that the few girls I dated back home felt that my acts of chivalry and courtship (ie: flowers, cheek kisses, gifts, elaborate dates et cetera) somehow infringed on their ability to be fully actualized, autonomous, individualistic, empowered "womyn"-bots. Yup.
Maybe it was because I dated the kind of girl who didn't shave their armpits, but it was either that or date pinky-Ms. Pinkenheimer with a brain the size of a peanut.
Anyway, I'm happily in a relationship with a Korean girl who loves and savours my die-hard romanticism as well as my chivalry. She is kind, intelligent, and many other good qualities as well. So everything is peachy. |
has she started cheating on you yet?
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True that!
Sure a woman loves a guy who cares for them and will be there to support them.
This security is necessary for when they eventually become pregnant.
However, when a woman's looking for a man to fertalize her seed, she's not looking for the sweet romantic guy. She's looking for that alpha male, that dude that will say no to her. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
However, when a woman's looking for a man to fertalize her seed, she's not looking for the sweet romantic guy. She's looking for that alpha male, that dude that will say no to her. |
We're not really looking to have a kid at this point in time... That would be something, well, if we were to get married, in the distant future...
...and I don't presume either of you know absolutely anything about my girlfriend which indeed you certainly don't. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
However, when a woman's looking for a man to fertalize her seed, she's not looking for the sweet romantic guy. She's looking for that alpha male, that dude that will say no to her. |
We're not really looking to have a kid at this point in time... That would be something, well, if we were to get married, in the distant future...
...and I don't presume either of you know absolutely anything about my girlfriend which indeed you certainly don't. |
I'm just messing with you dude.
Props for the good girlfriend. |
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Hank the Iconoclast

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: Busan
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
I'm a die hard romantic and to tell you the truth... Western girls HATE die hard romantics. They may not admit it, but they do. At least that has been my experience. I found that the few girls I dated back home felt that my acts of chivalry and courtship (ie: flowers, cheek kisses, gifts, elaborate dates et cetera) somehow infringed on their ability to be fully actualized, autonomous, individualistic, empowered "womyn"-bots. Yup.
Maybe it was because I dated the kind of girl who didn't shave their armpits, but it was either that or date pinky-Ms. Pinkenheimer with a brain the size of a peanut.
Anyway, I'm happily in a relationship with a Korean girl who loves and savours my die-hard romanticism as well as my chivalry. She is kind, intelligent, and many other good qualities as well. So everything is peachy. |
Same here. I love my Korean girl because I am allowed to be romantic  |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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damn girl, go outside once in a while will you? |
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blackjack

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: anyang
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Got sent this thought it kinda fit in
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When girls don't put out!!
This was written by a guy ... it's pretty damn smart.
Girls -- Please have a sense of humor!
I never quite figured out why the sexual urge of men and women differ so much. And I never have figured out the whole Venus and Mars thing. I have never figured out why men think with their head and women with their heart.
FOR EXAMPLE:
One evening last week, my girlfriend and I were getting into bed. Well, the passion starts to heat up, and she eventually says, 'I don't feel like it, I just want you to hold me.'
I said, 'WHAT??!! What was that?!'
So she says the words that every boyfriend on the planet dreads to hear...
'You're just not in touch with my emotional needs as a woman enough for me to satisfy your physical needs as a man.'
She responded to my puzzled look by saying, 'Can't you just love me for who I am and not what I do for you in the bedroom?'
Realizing that nothing was going to happen that night, I went to sleep.
The very next day I opted to take the day off of work to spend time with her. We went out to a nice lunch and then went shopping at a big, big unnamed department store. I walked around with her while she tried on several different very expensive outfits. She couldn't decide which one to take, so I told her we'd just buy them all. She wanted new shoes to compliment her new clothes, so I said, 'Lets get a pair for each outfit.'
We went on to the jewelry department where she picked out a pair of diamond earrings. Let me tell you... she was so excited. She must have thought I was one wave short of a shipwreck. I started to think she was testing me because she asked for a tennis bracelet when she doesn't even know how to play tennis.
I think I threw her for a loop when I said, 'That's fine, honey.' She was almost nearing sexual satisfaction from all of the excitement. Smiling with excited anticipation, she finally said, 'I think this is all
dear, let's go to the cashier.'
I could hardly contain myself when I blurted out, 'No honey, I don't feel like it.'
Her face just went completely blank as her jaw dropped with a baffled, 'WHAT?'
I then said, 'Honey! I just want you to HOLD this stuff for a while. You're just not in touch with my financial needs as a man enough for me to satisfy your shopping needs as a woman.'
And just when she had this look like she was going to kill me, I added, 'Why can't you just love me for who I am and not for the things I buy you?'
Apparently I'm not having sex tonight either....but at least that bitch knows I'm smarter than her. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: |
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ha ha ha ha ha ha |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: |
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If this is a thread to justify how someone wants to date Korean men rather than Western men, I say just date the Korean men. Look, many Western men have their faults, but they don't go to room salons, I would suspect cheating is even less common in North America. Hey, I have heard of so many Koreans playing Western women and then saying it's normal in their culture to have more than one girl. Seriously, I am not kidding. And, I would suspect Latin cultures and Italians are viewed as into all that romance, but the men certainly don't go around carrying a female or male purse. Do you remember that Seinfeld episode where one of the characters talked about carrying a man purse? That was hilarious!
I don't know if feminism destroyed romance. Romance was often used in a more conservative in America and Canada where you courted a woman for a while before marrying her or having sex with her. This is no longer the case and men and women objectify each other more.
They just cut to the chase, maybe. I wasn't really alive in the 50s, so I wouldn't know, but a French friend complained that she thought her American boyfriend had no clue about romance compared to what she was used to. I don't think that's the fault of feminists. Men and women are just not taught about being ladies and gentlemen and romantic.
It's maybe the parents. Feminism has done great things for women.
Many of the Western women wouldn't be in Korea if it weren't for feminism.
As far as being skilled, a woman can be extremely romantic and skilled in the bed. I don't think saying most women who are skilled in bed are this or that is anything but being kind of harsh. |
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