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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Jessie41 wrote: |
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| The FBI, and many states, will not issue a notarized criminal background check. I know from personal experience that Kentucky, my home state, will not do so. Thus, checks from these states or the FBI can only be notarized and apostilled by means of a jurat. |
There is no need to have an FBI document notarized.
An FBI records check would be sent to the U.S. Department of State for an apostille. This agency will attach an apostille to documents �signed by a federal official with the official seal of that agency.� Therefore, no notary seal is needed for a document issued by a federal agency.
http://www.state.gov/m/a/auth/c16921.htm |
You are correct in stating that no notary seal is needed for a federal document.
BUT, the FBI records check is NOT "signed by a federal official with the official seal of that agency." If no criminal record is found, they will return the original fingerprint card stamped "No Record."
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/fprequest.htm
I have corresponded by e-mail with the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division. They confirmed that they cannot issue a report under the FBI seal bearing an official signature. A friend of mine also corresponded by e-mail with an Authentications official at the U.S. Department of State, who confirmed that FBI background checks cannot be apostilled by the State Department because they do not meet the requirements you cited above.
I have since learned that the FBI background check can be notarized and apostilled by the office of the West Virginia Secretary of State. This is confirmed by correspondence with both agencies. The cost is $10, and a jurat is not required.
http://www.wvsos.com/execrecords/other/authentication.htm
(Why West Virginia? Because the FBI office that handles background checks is located in Clarksburg, WV.)
I have also since learned (thanks, distance!) that while the KY Administrative Office of the Courts will not issue a notarized CBC, the State Police will.
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Don�t get me wrong; unlike some I do not think I am a �know-it-all.� This is a collaborative learning process in which there will be a lot of discussion and trial and error before this becomes clear. Most of us have never heard the word �apostille� before this. There is nothing wrong with clarifying or correcting information when it is done tactfully and without arrogance. Clearly, we all make mistakes, including the self-
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Indeed, I think we're all just trying to help each other out. I apologize for coming across too strongly, and for assuming my particular experiences are universal. |
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distance
Joined: 03 Jan 2008
Location: Icheon (1 hour from Seoul)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| No worries UT. I spoke to Pretrial Records first too and they pointed me to the State police. |
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Jessie41
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you UT. I have seen there are a few who have received FBI records. However, they did not state how or if they tried to obtain an apostille. If I receive mine, I'll report on what it looks like. I have heard they come with cover letters, perhaps that will be acceptable. Also, it is a "fingerprint" record, not specifically a "criminal" record. This means that anyone who was in the military or fingerprinted for employment purposes will have a positive record. I hope this is clarified in the report. In a few weeks, this should all be sorted out. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
...You are correct in stating that no notary seal is needed for a federal document.
BUT, the FBI records check is NOT "signed by a federal official with the official seal of that agency." If no criminal record is found, they will return the original fingerprint card stamped "No Record."
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/fprequest.htm
I have corresponded by e-mail with the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division. They confirmed that they cannot issue a report under the FBI seal bearing an official signature. A friend of mine also corresponded by e-mail with an Authentications official at the U.S. Department of State, who confirmed that FBI background checks cannot be apostilled by the State Department because they do not meet the requirements you cited above.
I have since learned that the FBI background check can be notarized and apostilled by the office of the West Virginia Secretary of State. This is confirmed by correspondence with both agencies. The cost is $10, and a jurat is not required.
http://www.wvsos.com/execrecords/other/authentication.htm
(Why West Virginia? Because the FBI office that handles background checks is located in Clarksburg, WV.)... |
Here's a link to the U.S. State Department's Apostille requirerments that seems to confirm what you're saying about the unsigned FBI report: http://www.state.gov/m/a/auth/c16921.htm. It's really annoying that our U.S. Embassy in Seoul doesn't do any fact checking before wrongly stating that an FBI report can be apostilled by the State Dept.. in Washington. (See: http://www.asktheconsul.org/E2ec07.htm) But I find it hard to believe that West Virgina would apostille it. The list of documents that they'll apostille is here: http://www.wvsos.com/execrecords/other/authenticationexamples.htm |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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The list you linked to includes "Miscellaneous Original Documents," described as "Any written document -- original documents containing an original signature and a proper notary public acknowledgment." I suppose the FBI check would fall under that category.
In any case, here is the e-mail from the West Virginia Secretary of State's office confirming that they will notarize and apostille an FBI check:
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| You will send me the fingerprint card and I will notarize and aposille the document. Please include a cover letter stating which country the document is going to and contact information for you. The fee for the apostille is $10 for the first and $5 for each additional document. If you have any other questions please contact me at 304-558-8000 or via email. |
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