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laconic2

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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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spliff,
Did you even read the report? It says there were witnesses. It doesn't make clear that the witnesses saw both the fight in the bar and the shooting incident outside, but that is what I'm taking it to mean.
Given that the woman got pregnant by another man, then was drinking while pregnant, I don't find it hard to believe they attacked the cop when he told them to quiet down.
While no one deserves to die, it's not too far-fetched to imagine that is a likely result of attacking a cop and trying to take his gun away. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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His Canadian flag patch didn't protect him?
Yeah yeah tasteless joke. |
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Vicissitude

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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: |
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This story sounds really fishy. I'm certain there are critical details, which were left out. The story just doesn't make any sense. The woman still hasn't been interviewed and I'd like to know what she has to say about what really went on. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Why is the cop being charged? In the US, if a drunk threw a cop to the ground and tried to wrestle his service revolver from him, he'd be totally in his rights to smoke the fool.
edit: I'm sure there is something here I'm not considering, but I put it to my fellow posters to tell me what that is. |
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ED209
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Well we don't know the facts yet, but don't let that stop us,
Brutal end to 'wonderful holiday'
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It was a brutal and bloody end to a "wonderful holiday" that a Devon couple had been planning for months.
Before their deaths, Adam Lloyd and Vanessa Arscott had been reassuring their families how "everything is cool and we are both happy" in Thailand.
But they were murdered on 9 September 2004 at their last stop just two days before they were due to fly home.
Their murder, by a police sergeant who later denied he had even met them, was described as an "execution". |
If the cop did it I hope he gets what's coming...
Thai cops punished by Hello Kitty |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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In the US, if a drunk threw a cop to the ground and tried to wrestle his service revolver from him, he'd be totally in his rights to smoke the fool.
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I could be mistaken, but I think a cop is charged, then a grand jury (or something) decides if a trial is necessary. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Why did the cop run away after he shot them? Why didn't he stay and call for backup or EMS? Something just doesn't sound right here; the sequence of events (the way this story is told) just don't quite add up or make sense.
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Pol Sgt-Major Uthai Dechawiwat claimed shots were fired accidentally after the foreign couple tried to snatch his pistol from him. |
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said he had struggled to get his service pistol back from John Leo Del Pinto and his wife Carly Reisig. |
what!? Which one is correct because it can't be both unless they aren't telling us the full story. Anyone who knows anything about Thai culture knows full well to be suspicous when any Thai usues the word "accident." It means something different in Thailand than what Westerners understand.
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wannago
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Vicissitude wrote: |
This story sounds really fishy. I'm certain there are critical details, which were left out. The story just doesn't make any sense. The woman still hasn't been interviewed and I'd like to know what she has to say about what really went on. |
You haven't been in Thailand much, have you? Sounds like a typical Thai criminal investigation to me. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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wannago wrote: |
Vicissitude wrote: |
This story sounds really fishy. I'm certain there are critical details, which were left out. The story just doesn't make any sense. The woman still hasn't been interviewed and I'd like to know what she has to say about what really went on. |
You haven't been in Thailand much, have you? Sounds like a typical Thai criminal investigation to me. |
I think you had better go back and read that story again. The facts don't add up.
Typical cause of death in Thailand is "heart failure." Now if they report said this as the cause of death, then I would say it's definately typical.
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wannago
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Vicissitude wrote: |
wannago wrote: |
Vicissitude wrote: |
This story sounds really fishy. I'm certain there are critical details, which were left out. The story just doesn't make any sense. The woman still hasn't been interviewed and I'd like to know what she has to say about what really went on. |
You haven't been in Thailand much, have you? Sounds like a typical Thai criminal investigation to me. |
I think you had better go back and read that story again. The facts don't add up. |
I only lived in Thailand for 2 years, but, believe me, its par for the course. |
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Vicissitude

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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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wannago wrote: |
Vicissitude wrote: |
wannago wrote: |
Vicissitude wrote: |
This story sounds really fishy. I'm certain there are critical details, which were left out. The story just doesn't make any sense. The woman still hasn't been interviewed and I'd like to know what she has to say about what really went on. |
You haven't been in Thailand much, have you? Sounds like a typical Thai criminal investigation to me. |
I think you had better go back and read that story again. The facts don't add up. |
I only lived in Thailand for 2 years, but, believe me, its par for the course. |
Look, I know Thailand quite well. But you don't even have to step foot in Thailand to see that the report doesn't add up and leaves more questions than it answers. Perhaps it's poor journalism. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Check out what the expats are saying in Thailand: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/virtual-pub/27798-tourist-shot-dead-policeman.html
People suspect the Thai police officer is telling lies.
I think the AP report is better:
Canadian killed in scuffle with Thai police officer
The Associated Press
Published: January 7, 2008
BANGKOK, Thailand: A Thai police officer fatally shot a Canadian man and wounded his pregnant companion during a scuffle outside a bar in northern Thailand, authorities said Monday.
The officer told investigators the shooting was an accident, but he was charged with premeditated murder, said police Col. Sombat Panya of Pai district in northern Mae Hong Son.
John Leo Del Pinto, 25, died early Sunday of two gunshot wounds � one to the face and one to the torso � and his partner, Carly Reisig, also of Canada, was hospitalized with a bullet wound in her body, Sombat said.
The couple, who had rented a home in the town of Mae Hong Son, were drinking at a bar in Pai and began arguing after Del Pinto learned that Reisig had become pregnant with a Thai man, Sombat said, citing witnesses.
Outside the bar, their argument turned physical and when a police officer tried to intervene the couple attacked him, Sombat said.
The officer, Sgt. Uthai Dechawiwat, told investigators that Del Pinto tried to grab his pistol and the gun "accidentally went off" three times, Sombat said.
However, Uthai was charged with premeditated murder for Del Pinto's death and with "intent to kill" in connection with Reisig, Sombat said. Uthai was released on bail.
The couple had rented a home in Mae Hong Son, on the border with Myanmar, for several years but took regular trips in and out of Thailand to extend shot-term tourist visas, Sombat said. Their hometowns in Canada were not immediately known, he said. |
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wannago
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Look, I didn't say you were wrong, I was simply saying this stuff happens ALL THE TIME like this in Thailand. Period.
And the reporting? Same same. |
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Vicissitude

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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Thaivisa has some interesting background.......
LAst night there was an incident in Pai. Not sure if this is being 'allowed' to the mainstream press or not but I will tell you the FACTS and the RUMORS
FACTS:
Last night Janurary 5th a little after Midnight a forgien tourist was shot through the mouth and died instanly by a Thai man with whoum he was earlier arguing. Witnesses earlier saw the Thai man and the Tourist arguring on the street and the Thai man drove off shouting in english 'I'LL KILL YOU'
shortly after the Tourist was eating at a resuturant and the Thai man came in and stuck a gun down the forgienners throat and shot him dead. It is also thought the forgineers girlfriend and possibly another was injured.
As for RUMORS there are two corrurent rurmors circulating:
THE OFFICAL REPORT:
There were two falang fighting and the police came to break up the fight and the falang attacked the police and the police had to shoot them in self defence.
THE STREET REPORT (From the Local Thais)
The man who shot the tourist was an Off Duty Pai Police officer who was drinking.
Both seem to concur that a Police officer shot a forgineer so we will go with that.
Also the local Thais are saying that the Police Force arrested the officer as well - but that is still in Rumor phase.
Tourist Shot Through The Head In Pai - Thailand Forum
I live in Pai and can confirm that there was a shooting last night. A canadian guy is dead and his female friend is in hospital in Chiang Mai having been shot through the shoulder or so I am told.
The incident certainly did not take place in a restaurant. The blood stains on the road are testament to that fact. According to witnesses, the couple in question were very drunk and fighting in the street. A local off duty policeman witnessed this whilst eating in a nearby restaurant and intervened. How the couple ended up getting shot I am not sure and has obviously been the subject of intense speculation here today. The policeman in question is a notoriously unstable individual who allegedly tried to kill himself a few weeks ago and was also rumoured to be drunk at the time of the incident.
How a domestic if very public argument has escalated into this beggars belief. Although having said that, if you have witnessed the level of drinking here amongst the coppers (whilst in uniform) as I have, then something like this, although deeply worrying is not altogether surprising.
Will update with as reliable information as I can get, when I get it.
Tourist Shot Through The Head In Pai - Thailand Forum
Having been out tonight and speaking with a close friend of mine who witnessed the whole thing, it appears that when the policeman (off duty, in plain clothes yet still carrying his gun whilst rat arsed!) went to intervene, the emotionally angry and drunk farang guy did not take to kindly to this, and probably not realising the guy was a cop, pushed him over into a motorbike. The response to this was an immediate and fatal shot to the head and chest. Never could this be classed as self defence or warranted , more another example of horrendous drunken over reaction as a result of losing face. In the melee, the girl was indeed shot through the shoulder.
The policeman has been arrested and an "investigation" is under way
They will be doing well to cover this one up.
Tourist Shot Through The Head In Pai - Thailand Forum |
http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/virtual-pub/27798-tourist-shot-dead-policeman-2.html
Interesting stuff indeed!!! |
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