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sea2sea
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
Location: S. Korea
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Immi says Canadians have to go home to get their CR check |
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So, Friday Immigration told my uni that Canadians have to go home to get their criminal record check but that Americans can have it done while they are here!! Reading the RCMP website it seems like it can be done from here, but not according to Daejeon Immigration! What's with that??
Anyone hear anything similiar from Immigration directly?? |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Immi says Canadians have to go home to get their CR chec |
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| sea2sea wrote: |
| Reading the RCMP website it seems like it can be done from here, but not according to Daejeon Immigration! |
Daejeon Immigration is mis-informed. You can get them done while here. I've done it. |
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flint
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| just do as what they say |
Do as what they say?
I will assume you mean "Do what they say." or "Do as they say." Mind you THAT can lead to problems because what they say is often contradictory.
What their website says differs from what Immigration said in this case. Not nice to "Do as what they say." and finding yourself up s**t creek without a paddle because they were wrong and misinformed you. You know, like the Korean Immigration website which has bad info up about what Americans can actually do. So bad that the US Embassy had to contact people and inform them that the KI website was wrong.
This is part of the problem a lot of people are having with the new regulations, shoddy information. The KI website says one thing, you talk to KI and they say another, talk to another person at KI and they say something else, talk to a Korean Embassy in your country and they say "What changes?" or give you bad information. Not even to get into the lawyer-immigration-whatever who sent the letter to the editor. There is no consistency in the information people are being given which leads to a lot of people being frustrated and angry.
Speaking for myself Enomshiki, I would like to be able to call KI and get the right information about what I will have to do. Unfortunately, I live in the real world and don't expect that to happen.
It reminds me of when I had to renew my passport. As soon as I got it I went to immigration to register it. Brought my boss along. The clerk told me in English, and the boss in Korean, that I didn't have to do anything to register it. The boss re-confirmed this with the guy. A month later when I go to get my multi-entry VISA the clerk dealing with me starts ripping into me for not registering my passport. I asked him what he was talking about....told him what happened and pointed out the clerk who told me I didn't have to. That mollified him a little. This made me angry because I tried to do what I was supposed to only to be misinformed by someone who should have known better. Actually, the lack of proper information about the new E-2 rules is a lot worse than what happened. It sometimes makes me wonder if they decided that they shouldn't do it half-assed so they decided to be wholly assed.
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| enomshiki wrote: |
| just do as what they say |
No, don't just do what one immigration office or officer says. Do your research, save yourself time and money.
enomshiki, have you even been paying attention to the recent changes and lack of consistency among immigration officials? |
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bassexpander
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Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Enjoy the free trip home, courtesy of your university.
Make it a big shopping trip. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Ohhhhh, ahhhhhh.
All this sparkling hurts my eyes. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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^^_^^
Oops, is that a 'double eyelid?' |
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Voyeur
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| AFAIK the issue in terms of having to go home has been the notary part - not actually getting the CRC. |
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sea2sea
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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First the uni doesn't and won't pay for flights. And as Voyeur said it is an issue with the notary, the CR check can be done from here.
Young Frankenstein how did you deal with the notary??? As, immigration says that is to be done in Canada. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Voyeur wrote: |
| AFAIK the issue in terms of having to go home has been the notary part - not actually getting the CRC. |
From the Canadian Embassy newsletter (http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/world/embassies/korea/embassy-newsletter-en.asp):
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| For the criminal record check, an RCMP or local police certificate will be acceptable. Once a police certificate is received, applicants should to bring it to the Canadian Embassy in Seoul or to the Honorary Consulate in Busanwith a statutory declaration(available both at the Embassyand at the Consulate)to have it notarized. |
Lee Dong-wook, Ministry of Justice/Immigration official, stated in his Korea Times article that consular notarization is acceptable. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| sea2sea wrote: |
| Young Frankenstein how did you deal with the notary??? As, immigration says that is to be done in Canada. |
You said nothing about the notary in your OP. You said "Canadians have to go home to get their criminal record check", and I said they don't.
Notary is something else entirely, to which I have no info. I don't need to do anything until September.
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| Lee Dong-wook, Ministry of Justice/Immigration official, |
What is his job title. If he's an actual MOJ official, he must have one. The newspaper article says only that he is working with (not working for) Korean Immigration.
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| stated in his Korea Times article that consular notarization is acceptable. |
A newspaper article is not an official statement from the MOJ. When someone OFFICIALLY states this a a fact through OFFICIAL channels, then I'll believe it. A newspaper article form some anonymous guy working with (not for) Immigration is not official channels. |
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aek541
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Location: Anyang Si, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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I'm going through the process right now. I'm applying through the Saskatoon Police Department. Apparently, to do the police record check, I have to submit a notarized copy of my photo id and passport...well two pieces of id. I am going to get these notarized tomorrow morning. Then I send it to the police department and they process it....I don't need finger prints or anything apparently.
Annie |
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SpuddyJ
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Check out this website,
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/crimrec/finger2_e.htm
This is for a national record check, as in it states explicity that you can use this VISA for working requirments. And as far as I can tell it can be done from outside the country, you just need to get a set of finger prints from a local police station here, make sure to get it signed and dated along with all the other requirments stated on the site. And mail it to them along with all of the other required information. You include a prepaid envelope and they send it back to you... Seems like that should be good enough for immigration here.
People in the know should check out that site and see if that would be good enough for Korean immigration. |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Ut videam wrote: |
| Lee Dong-wook, Ministry of Justice/Immigration official, |
What is his job title. If he's an actual MOJ official, he must have one. The newspaper article says only that he is working with (not working for) Korean Immigration. |
In his article, he stated that he's admitted to the bar in New York. And sure enough, the New York State Courts database has a listing for him:
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DONGWOOK LEE
KOREA IMMIGRATION SERVICE
MINISTRY OF JUSTICE, REPUBLIC OF KOREA |
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/attorney/AttorneyDetails?attorneyId=63147197
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| A newspaper article is not an official statement from the MOJ. When someone OFFICIALLY states this a a fact through OFFICIAL channels, then I'll believe it. A newspaper article form some anonymous guy working with (not for) Immigration is not official channels. |
When a government official publishes an article in a newspaper and makes reference to his official position, the article can be considered an official statement of policy. Such officials cannot publish without first having the article cleared by higher-ups in their agency. The article appeared under Mr. Lee's byline, and his employment at Immigration is easily verified, so how you can call it "anonymous" is beyond me. |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| aek541 wrote: |
I'm going through the process right now. I'm applying through the Saskatoon Police Department. Apparently, to do the police record check, I have to submit a notarized copy of my photo id and passport...well two pieces of id. I am going to get these notarized tomorrow morning. Then I send it to the police department and they process it....I don't need finger prints or anything apparently.
Annie |
keep us posted on this thread, if u will. i'll eventually get around to doing this soon. the lack of finger prints is quite interesting. however, on the application form u fill out, it states: ....."If a criminal record is disclosed, I understand that details will not be released unless identification is confirmed by fingerprints."
i think finger-printing is mandatory as stated on the rcmp website: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/crimrec/finger2_e.htm#Obtain
-->If you are IN CANADA:
you must have your fingerprints taken on form C-216C at your local police station or private accredited fingerprinting agency.
Depending on the police jurisdiction, a fee may be required.
If you are OUTSIDE OF CANADA:
contact the nearest police force which offers fingerprinting services. The RCMP will accept fingerprint forms from foreign countries that contain the following: rolled and flat impressions of all ten fingers taken with black ink
full name, date of birth and sex of the applicant
the name and address of the police agency
the signature of the official taking the fingerprints
So it sounds like they're needed, but who knows. Also, another interesting tidbit from the rcmp site concerning types of identification:
Ensure you provide:
your full name
date of birth
sex
mailing address
phone number
and/or fax number
and/or e-mail address
Do not include social insurance numbers, passport copies, photographs or addresses of former places of residence.
On the local police form, they have SIN as a possible ID type and on the vulnerable section part they ask for previous addresses. And in your case (which i was thinking of using too) your providing a copy of your passport. Anywho, u might like to confirm the fingerprint thingy b4 u send it off (i'm assuming ur in korea now). |
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