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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Wow. That is truly disturbing. The Peel's avatar, I mean. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Camon, after a few soju's... You'd hit that. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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And I did find this rather amusing...
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Cuba, China, North Korea and Zimbabwe all voted the same way.
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So given their heartfelt belief in tolerance for Islam, are we to assume that the Norks would just smile benignly upon anyone who stood on a street corner in Pyongyang and preached that there is no God but Allah?
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Well, it makes perfect sense to me considering the fact that N. Korea is a supplier of weapons to such countries as Syria and Iran. Any countries that are the enemy of America N. Korea tends to cater towards. The old cliche' 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' rings true. |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: |
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The issue here is a movement, all over the world, to include the freedom from criticism of islam (and only islam) as a human right. This is yet another example of how muslims use the structures of power to bring about their theological ends. How long, now, until the little liberal weenies start citing this bullshat resolution on college campuses, and how long then until those same weenies are sitting members of HRC's in Canada.
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While, it's generally liberals who are insane with political correctness, there are some who strongly dislike it. A considerable amount of atheists outspokenly criticize Islam, and atheists tend to be liberal(Christopher Hitchens nowithstanding)
All religions should be open to criticism. If I want to say Jesus is an idiot, people will get angry, but I won't be called a racist. The same should be true of Alla and Muhammad.
Anyways, you all should check out Sam Harris... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok2oJgsGR6c
with an intro from It's Pat. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Sam Harris's book is sitting beside me. Soon, his book will be hate-speech.
This is getting way out of hand. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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UK Bishop Denounces Islamic Extremism
Sat Jan 5, 7:27 PM ET
LONDON - Islamic extremism in Britain has created communities that are "no-go areas" for non-Muslims, a Pakistani-born Church of England bishop said in The Sunday Telegraph.
Michael Nazir-Ali, the bishop of Rochester, told the newspaper that Britain's policies of multiculturalism have created separate Muslim communities that fail to integrate into mainstream society.
"There has been a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism. One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into 'no-go' areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability," said Nazir-Ali.
"Those of a different faith or race may find it difficult to live or work there because of hostility to them," he said.
A British Muslim leader criticized Nazir-Ali's comments.
"It's irresponsible for a man of his position to make these comments," Imam Ibrahim Mogra of the Muslim Council of Britain said in comments published by The Sunday Telegraph. "He should accept that Britain is a multicultural society in which we are free to follow our religion at the same time as being extremely proud to be British. We wouldn't allow 'no-go' areas to happen.
Nazir-Ali did not identify any such "no-go areas" in Britain, a predominantly Christian country with a Muslim population of about 1.6 million, many of whom live in northern England.
The majority of Britons are members of the Anglican Church of England, the country's officially established Christian church.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080106/ap_on_re_eu/britain_islam
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
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And I did find this rather amusing...
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Cuba, China, North Korea and Zimbabwe all voted the same way.
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So given their heartfelt belief in tolerance for Islam, are we to assume that the Norks would just smile benignly upon anyone who stood on a street corner in Pyongyang and preached that there is no God but Allah?
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Well, it makes perfect sense to me considering the fact that N. Korea is a supplier of weapons to such countries as Syria and Iran. Any countries that are the enemy of America N. Korea tends to cater towards. The old cliche' 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' rings true. |
Yeah, realpolitik and all that. But I'm still pretty sure that if you were to walk into a crowded marketplace in Pyongyang and start yelling about no god but allah, the reception you'd get would be even less friendly than what you'd get for pulling the same stunt in the backwoods of the American bible belt or the chaviest corners of London. If you were a North Korean citizen, you likely wouldn't see the outside of a prison camp for several years. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Don't criticise Islam, says UN |
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It didn�t attract much notice, but the General Assembly of the United Nations ended the year by passing a disgusting resolution protecting Islam from criticism of its human rights violations.
Lots of non-Muslims voted for it � a sign that more and more corrupt Third World governments are identifying with the ideology of Islam, even if they don't accept its doctrines.
The resolution goes under the innocuous title "Combating defamation of religions" � but the text singles out "Islam and Muslims in particular". It expresses "deep concern that Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism".
Wrongly associated? As of today, terrorists have carried out 10,277 separate attacks since September 11, 2001. They all belong to the same religion, and it ain�t Methodism.
The resolution (which of course makes no mention of the vicious persecution of Christians) was pushed through by the 57-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which has been agitating for it for years. Naturally every Muslim country was among the 108 supporters, but it�s interesting to note how other countries lined up.
Cuba, China, North Korea and Zimbabwe all voted the same way. I�ll give you one guess. |
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/holysmoke/dec07/islam-resolution.htm
This is worrisome, and not just for the including of criticism of islam as a human rights violation (which is nothing less that totally retarded).
But it seems that much of the world now sees islam as the voice of anti-Western ideology. I've read (CFR) that leftist Uni students in Latin America have been converting as a sign of the lefty street cred. And it goes without saying that the left in the West has given muslims full freedom to behave as they might please, totally free of all and any criticism that might touch on why they do what they do. |
This blogger seems to be implying that all terrorists are Moslems. That's not true. (The Tamil Tigers are the most prolific suicide bombers, and they're hardly Moslem.)
Those of us who are "lefties" are quite aware that Moslems are more likely than most religious groups to be terrorists, we just don't think that Moslems in general should be judged or have their rights abridged because of that. Christians conducted the Inquisition, but judging Christianity by Inquisitors wouldn't be exactly fair, now would it?
The number of Moslems who are terrorists is very small indeed, and conservatives would do well to occasionally remind themselves of this. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Don't criticise Islam, says UN |
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It didn�t attract much notice, but the General Assembly of the United Nations ended the year by passing a disgusting resolution protecting Islam from criticism of its human rights violations.
Lots of non-Muslims voted for it � a sign that more and more corrupt Third World governments are identifying with the ideology of Islam, even if they don't accept its doctrines.
The resolution goes under the innocuous title "Combating defamation of religions" � but the text singles out "Islam and Muslims in particular". It expresses "deep concern that Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism".
Wrongly associated? As of today, terrorists have carried out 10,277 separate attacks since September 11, 2001. They all belong to the same religion, and it ain�t Methodism.
The resolution (which of course makes no mention of the vicious persecution of Christians) was pushed through by the 57-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which has been agitating for it for years. Naturally every Muslim country was among the 108 supporters, but it�s interesting to note how other countries lined up.
Cuba, China, North Korea and Zimbabwe all voted the same way. I�ll give you one guess. |
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/holysmoke/dec07/islam-resolution.htm
This is worrisome, and not just for the including of criticism of islam as a human rights violation (which is nothing less that totally retarded).
But it seems that much of the world now sees islam as the voice of anti-Western ideology. I've read (CFR) that leftist Uni students in Latin America have been converting as a sign of the lefty street cred. And it goes without saying that the left in the West has given muslims full freedom to behave as they might please, totally free of all and any criticism that might touch on why they do what they do. |
This blogger seems to be implying that all terrorists are Moslems. That's not true. (The Tamil Tigers are the most prolific suicide bombers, and they're hardly Moslem.)
Those of us who are "lefties" are quite aware that Moslems are more likely than most religious groups to be terrorists, we just don't think that Moslems in general should be judged or have their rights abridged because of that. Christians conducted the Inquisition, but judging Christianity by Inquisitors wouldn't be exactly fair, now would it?
The number of Moslems who are terrorists is very small indeed, and conservatives would do well to occasionally remind themselves of this. |
The article points out that the VAST majority of all terrorism is muslim. Final answer, full stop. muslim. It does not say "all". You are putting words where they don't belong to further your far-left agenda.
Now, what "rights" are you speaking of? The UN says that freedom from criticism of islam is now a human right. You agree with that? Or, are you deflecting from a real problem by constructing a straw man.
Lefties and multi-culties around the world would do well to occasionally remind themselves that a massive % of muslims world wide support suicide bombing against civilians (according to Pew) to "defend islam". You want to live in that world? |
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