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Am I being too picky for a newbie?
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anorakcity



Joined: 24 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Am I being too picky for a newbie? Reply with quote

I've been looking for a job now for about a month. This would be my first year teaching, and I'd like (like everyone, it seems) to work in central Seoul. Yet all I can see to find is jobs in places way outside, Bundang, Incheon, Bangi, Banghwa, Guro, etc. Anytime I find a place that is reasonably close, they tell me they are looking for experienced teachers.

Are my expectations of finding something inside the city too high? I'm young, I want to be in a vibrant area with nightlife, but should I be considering these places I'm writing off as boring suburbs? It's hard to find much information about many areas, I usually search on here and Galbijim and Google.

Or what am I doing wrong?
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on where you live in Bundang, you can get to Seoul (Gangnam area) in about 20-30 minutes. I can take the bus and subway to get to Hongdae in about 35-40 minutes, or Itaewon in 30. When I first arrived in Korea I wanted to be right in the middle of Seoul, but now I'm glad I'm a little out of the city.

When you say "central seoul" where exactly are you looking? Bangi is in Seoul, but in the SE corner. If you learn to utilize the bus and subway together you can get to almost anywhere in about 30 minutes, depending on traffic.
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PastImperfect



Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Location: indeterminate

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking at jobs at the moment and also wondering about the suburbs.

xCustomx: what bus & subway combo are you using to get from Hongdae to Bundang? I have a friend who just started commuting between them and it's taking him two hours each way. If you have tips, please share.

Also, what do you do if you're out after the subway closes? Is it cheaper to get a taxi all that way or to crash at a motel?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anorakcity, do you have more experience than a BA (or equivalent)? If so, that gives you better options.

I had the same issue when looking for schools. I finally got an interview with the Seoul public schools and took it. If you want to start work at the end of Feb, apply now.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PastImperfect wrote:
Also, what do you do if you're out after the subway closes? Is it cheaper to get a taxi all that way or to crash at a motel?


better yet, just stay out until they start up again. it's only til 5:30
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anorakcity



Joined: 24 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
When you say "central seoul" where exactly are you looking?


in my basic, perhaps naive idea of seoul, it seems most of the best areas are inside the #2 (green) line loop. gangnam, itaewon, hongdae. im used to being able to walk to good bars, cafes, shops, and id like to not have to ride a half hour just to go out
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anorakcity wrote:
xCustomx wrote:
When you say "central seoul" where exactly are you looking?


in my basic, perhaps naive idea of seoul, it seems most of the best areas are inside the #2 (green) line loop. gangnam, itaewon, hongdae. im used to being able to walk to good bars, cafes, shops, and id like to not have to ride a half hour just to go out


You can find all of those in Bundang. There are at least 30 places to drink within a 5 minute walk of my house, cafes are numerous and 2 shopping centers, Samsung Plaza and Lotte Dept. Store, within 5-10 minutes


I don't know which bus # I get on, something like 9000 or 9401. You want to make sure the bus goes on the highway from Seohyun to Dangook University 단국대 or Gwanghwamun 광화문. I usually get off near 을지로3-ga and get on the subway to 홍대
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buffygrrl1



Joined: 05 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no you are not being picky at all. you HAVE to be picky. Look on WorknPlay there are TONS of jobs that are in the area you want (that is where I live right now on the green line and yeah its def great). Don't settle for anything below 2.2 and don't work 9-5:30 like me. You can do way better if you look around.
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mountainous



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can also get a TOEFL certificate to make urself more marketable, look around the forum to find out best place to get one, good luck, you are not being too picky as it's not too tough to get a job in Seoul for newbie
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.2 is not bad for a newbie with zero experience (if that is the OPs case)...telling him/her that he1she can do way better than that is a bit unrealistic.

As for placement in Central Seoul, I understand your preference OP..you can get something there or nearby if you are patient and look hard enough.

As for that 9-5:30 for 2.2 it is not a bad deal for a newbie...you may not be able to get "way" better.

If you have experience or a degree in an ESL related field then you can certainly gun for higher.

Are you just looking at Hakwons?

You must be at this time of the year. You can also look at various programs (EPIK, GEPIK) that place in Public Schools in the fall.

You can use worknplay too as they have heaps of offers.

You will command a salary that is relative to your value on the market. That value is determined by your experience, credentials, ressourcefulness and ability to negociate...

Finally, when I first arrived in Korea way back in 1997 I was supposed to head to Central Seoul. I got a last minute offer through the same company in Busan because they needed a teacher there. I ended up heading to Busan and never looked back.

There are other vibrant and active areas/cities besides central Seoul Wink

Good luck out there!
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are coming under the new E-2 rules, you better ask for 2.5 starting. Its time to play hardball. A lot of teachers are leaving korea this year and they better pay to play. If you go to a public school you better start at 2.5. Dont sell yourself short.
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