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our hakwon was EVICTED!!!!!
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: our hakwon was EVICTED!!!!! Reply with quote

no sh*t!!

our hakwon was evicted today!!!

Laughing Laughing

ok, am really starting to feel bad (sorta) cuz these people i've known for a few years and they are standup folks, always good to the FTs, one of the reasons i came back to work for them

so as i'm cruizing the net checking out celta programs in vietnam (ok, it had crossed my mind to leave K) several K men in suits come around making a bit of a ruckus. we have a lot of visitors from time to time for other reasons so i didn't think much of it but they don't seem to be there for a meeting like usually happens, then one who looks like a K edward g robinson when he played al capone - no kidding, chubby cheeks, a little bowlegged, all that was missing was the cigar (but he did smoke later 'till i insisted he get rid of it!) anyway - this guy comes into the main office where my desk is and his boys follow him and he starts talking loudly to me in korean and pointing at my desk and the other desks and i'm like, i don't understand what you're sayin!

and i see one of our employees who speaks enough E for me to say to him would you please tell him i don't understand?

finally all of them leave but continue the loud ruckus in the hallway. it really didn't look like it was going to calm down then my director comes in and she says don't worry

ok,

but then it gets really loud!!

so i go into the office where the best K english speaker is and ask him what's going on and he says its a foreclosure!!

and i'm like huh?? and he says they are going to take everything out now, and i'm like everything? and he's like get your stuff together and pack it separately

so we all do that and watch as these guys begin loading everything and i mean EVERYTHING up and out thru the upstairs window onto one of those sliding things like a ramp

and then - they just stack it up in the parking lot downstairs!!

oh my god!!!!!!!!!! Shocked Shocked

and i go into the main office and the president looks like he's crying!

and i go and start packing my stuff and print out what i was working on (am doing some curriculum devlp. stuff) and try and be calm.

my director comes by a couple of times and just keeps telling me not to worry

then she and the prez leave!! but turns out they just go downstairs - guess he couldn't bear to watch

is a long story about why all this happened but basically he lost a court case he had been battling w/the landlord

it wasn't really a foreclosure - but an eviction - seems they took all our stuff and just left in downstairs and we have to put it in storage somewhere

and we have another office downtown and will move our business there.

but WOW what excitement haven't had such an exciting day here maybe ever!!

just wanted to share Laughing Laughing


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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is sucks when you're the teacher being evicted. I thought this was going to be a story that would give me some kin.

Ah well.

Guess not.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Why are they being evicted?" is the question.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
Is sucks when you're the teacher being evicted. I thought this was going to be a story that would give me some kin.

Ah well.

Guess not.


huh? Confused
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
Is sucks when you're the teacher being evicted. I thought this was going to be a story that would give me some kin.

Ah well.

Guess not.


huh? Confused


My hogwon boss quit paying my rent. In fact, she actually never paid my rent, just the key money. I came home to find the gas turned off one Friday afternoon. I'd been evicted. She hadn't paid rent. She also hadn't paid gas, water, electricity, housing fees, cable or Internet, even though she'd been taking the money from my check.

I'm the only person I know who's been evicted by the hogwon boss not paying rent, and by your original subject line, I thought maybe I'd met another.
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tob55



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:06 am    Post subject: Common Sense Reply with quote

It makes sense to see all the evictions and closings as of late. I saw a news report on TV just before Christmas that said the average outstanding debt of Korean consumers is around 70 mil KRW and going higher. (Now, that is all Korean consumers, not just the ones who really have money) Koreans have notoriously been given the freedom to buy on credit with no thought of the consequences. The average Korean Joe is so far in hock that they will never see the light of day.

BTW, bankruptcy in this country is the kiss of death. Koreans who file for bankruptcy in this country really have it hard and can never again get any credit for any reason. They are also precluded from owning tangible property (i.e. cars and other consumables), buying real estate, setting up a bank account to do their normal business (this is why so many businesses are in the names of a family member or an associate), and so on.

The Korean credit system isn't bad. I have plenty of credit, even as a foreigner, but you don't want to play around with these people. The loan sharks are on the prowl and if the financial establishments don't get you the loan sharks will send Vito out to settle the score, which obviously happened in the case of your hagwon owner.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: Common Sense Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
The loan sharks are on the prowl and if the financial establishments don't get you the loan sharks will send Vito out to settle the score, which obviously happened in the case of your hagwon owner.


that's not what happened - tho the owner of the building has a rep of being a "kind of gangster" as someone said to me a few weeks ago

again, read my OP - they lost a court case they'd been fighting w/the landlord over - and apparently here evictions can just come - with not that much warning - because it was clear when these guys showed up they were not expected.

this was not a mom and pop hakwon but a class operation - i can't really say too much more for obvious reasons - let it suffice to say it was incredibly shocking that something like this could happen to a good person, someone who is honest and upright - and then the slimy creeps like my last boss get away w/screwing teachers one way and then the other.
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tob55



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Too bad Reply with quote

Too bad at any rate. I certainly hope that you and the entire staff do not suffer from it in the long run. These things happen, but it is terrible when you are on the receiving end.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: Too bad Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
Too bad at any rate. I certainly hope that you and the entire staff do not suffer from it in the long run. These things happen, but it is terrible when you are on the receiving end.


it was pretty incredible - but just goes to show Ks in general screw everyone including each other - on an equal opportunity basis - ! not just E teachers - i know people here from other countries doing other kinds of work and they have exactly the same kind of issues ESL teachers have -

this landlord had a lengthy (over a decade) relationship with this guy and if they could've worked out their differences in court, at the very least, he should have given him warning - i know he didn't because the business manager speaks E and was just as shocked as everyone else - and if anyone would have known this was coming - he would have.

also he said that's the way it is here that people don't have to be given notice - unbelievable - and to just dump stuff downstairs - !

i'm not terribly worried since i know we have another office - we'll work it out.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This kind of stuff is bound to happen with all of the "Rushee-N-Cashee" type places advertised on TV. At least you don't see as many ads for them these days. I think the gov't clamped down on them. Parents were complaining that kids were singing the jingles like pop songs and such.

Those are loan places with rates as high as 40 to 60 percent if you miss a payment!!! Imagine your boss taking out a 10 million won loan to pay checks that month, and he can't pay it back the next.

By the way... a Korean friend just lost over 9 million won to a "friend of a friend" who was supposed to get her and several students a good deal on airline tickets to New Zealand. He just took the money and ran away.

I think we'll see a lot more of this type of thing happening in the next several months. Personally, I'm preparing for a huge economic downturn when Koreans realize the China Olympics won't be such a boom for them as they think.
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ryouga013



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:

I'm the only person I know who's been evicted by the hogwon boss not paying rent, and by your original subject line, I thought maybe I'd met another.


I have had several warnings from lack of payment despite the money being taken from my pay check. I have also had the internet and phone line disconnected for a short time, something that seemed like a "warning" of sorts to the boss... even though they weren't getting to him.

My boss's reply to the "we're going to shut down your apartment if you don't pay" slip attached to my 3+month overdue utilities bill (written in Korean)?" "why are you so worried, they won't shut your things down even if you don't pay for 12 months. I'll pay you 1 million dollars if they ever shut your stuff down, don't worry."
... and was at the place paying the bill within the next hour....
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
moosehead wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
Is sucks when you're the teacher being evicted. I thought this was going to be a story that would give me some kin.

Ah well.

Guess not.


huh? Confused


My hogwon boss quit paying my rent. In fact, she actually never paid my rent, just the key money. I came home to find the gas turned off one Friday afternoon. I'd been evicted. She hadn't paid rent. She also hadn't paid gas, water, electricity, housing fees, cable or Internet, even though she'd been taking the money from my check.

I'm the only person I know who's been evicted by the hogwon boss not paying rent, and by your original subject line, I thought maybe I'd met another.



Almost kin,

Your story nearly happened to me, long ago ...

My hogwan boss stopped paying my rent. It went on for months without my knowledge. Finally, the stuff hit the fan ...

I avoided eviction, however. We had a meeting with the owner of the school, the apartment owner and myself. The deposit was more than enough to cover the 9 months unpaid rent. So, I took over the lease. We used the deposit to pay the unpaid rent. The balance of the deposit went toward my unpaid salary.

So, I kept the apt in my name with the deposit (I paid the new deposit and signed a new lease) in my name thereafter. The landlord got his money, I got my money, the hogwan owner left with nothing.

After that I paid the rent on time every month and the landlord always loved me. Two years later, when I moved out and bought a condo, I got my deposit back. He still sends all his grandchildren to study with me at my new school.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Common Sense Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
It makes sense to see all the evictions and closings as of late. I saw a news report on TV just before Christmas that said the average outstanding debt of Korean consumers is around 70 mil KRW and going higher. (Now, that is all Korean consumers, not just the ones who really have money) Koreans have notoriously been given the freedom to buy on credit with no thought of the consequences. The average Korean Joe is so far in hock that they will never see the light of day.

BTW, bankruptcy in this country is the kiss of death. Koreans who file for bankruptcy in this country really have it hard and can never again get any credit for any reason. They are also precluded from owning tangible property (i.e. cars and other consumables), buying real estate, setting up a bank account to do their normal business (this is why so many businesses are in the names of a family member or an associate), and so n.

The Korean credit system isn't bad. I have plenty of credit, even as a foreigner, but you don't want to play around with these people. The loan sharks are on the prowl and if the financial establishments don't get you the loan sharks will send Vito out to settle the score, which obviously happened in the case of your hagwon owner.


Do you know any "Vitos" who'd help me settle the score concerning the over 20,000,000 forkin' won owed to moi in my 65 months in country?

And what about the 3 millions for Whol-Sei I lost on an apart-uh from "Rose" - the L.D.R. groupie who worked me over in Seobingoo back in 2001?

The above are a slice of the rotten melon that's my Korea Experience.

Ba-da-bing...

Business Ethics my ASK!! This culture is hostile to honesty in all of its forms.

Some, though, pay at least lip service to the idea that they'll reap what they sow, etc.

Overall, though, this culture is an obviously anti-honest one.

Sorry, eh.

R

Post-Scriptum: Go down on me if you do not like my too honest words.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
This kind of stuff is bound to happen with all of the "Rushee-N-Cashee" type places advertised on TV. At least you don't see as many ads for them these days. I think the gov't clamped down on them. Parents were complaining that kids were singing the jingles like pop songs and such.

Those are loan places with rates as high as 40 to 60 percent if you miss a payment!!! Imagine your boss taking out a 10 million won loan to pay checks that month, and he can't pay it back the next.

By the way... a Korean friend just lost over 9 million won to a "friend of a friend" who was supposed to get her and several students a good deal on airline tickets to New Zealand. He just took the money and ran away.

I think we'll see a lot more of this type of thing happening in the next several months. Personally, I'm preparing for a huge economic downturn when Koreans realize the China Olympics won't be such a boom for them as they think.



why do koreans think the 2008 Olympics will be such a boom??
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spamghod



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

expat2001 wrote:

why do koreans think the 2008 Olympics will be such a boom??


Because it's close to China and Koreans think the world revolves around them. The next year is going to be a bad one for Korea. Think 1997 but worse, and you'll get the picture.
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