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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Rteacher wrote: |
And such checks (either national or from the last state you legally resided in) have to be submitted along with a sworn affidavit before a U.S. Embassy consul - which subjects you to perjury laws if it's found out at some point that the document was forged.
Those who go that route will always live in fear of getting caught ...  |
Oh really? Where? Are Korean Immi officials gonna drag me to Embassy premises and demand that I be prosecuted? Or will they cuff me, have their K Fed Agents escort me on a place to D.C., AirCon-style, then plead the FBI that I be prosecuted for forgery? Please, do tell where I will be prosecuted!!! |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't mind at all the idea of drugs tests as long as they're very reliable. I can't 'prove' I'm not a paedophile or, worse yet, have consensual sex with adult Korean women I'm not married to. However, I can point to a piss test and say 'look, I'm clean, so you don't need to worry about that'. And I don't need to send a notarised urine sample to the RCMP and wait 3-6 months to get the results back, either. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Selective or biased reporting? You decide. |
Little of A, little of B |
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Bingo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Of course people should not be breaking the drug laws of Korea. But then again, Korea doesn't exactly present itself as a country where laws are respected and enforced. When foreigners see traffic laws broken a hundred times a day, see contracts disregarded, see corruption everywhere, and see a general contempt for law ebbing throughout the entire culture "Respect our laws" is not exactly the message received by many foreigners. And when one accepts that Koreans are the biggest drug (alcohol) abusers in Asia, the whole moral outrage against foreigners smoking pot becomes a bit, well, Korean.
If Koreans were really so concerned about law enforcement, they might have demanded that workplace safety laws be enforced prior to the tragedy in Icheon this week. But they'd rather focus on Canadian "drug dealers" growing pot in their living room for personal use. And while on the subject of smoking, the same ajoshi who tut tuts at news of a foreigner smoking pot in his home has probably never respected a 'No Smoking" sign in his life.
If Koreans want foreigners to show greater respect for Korea's laws, they should lead by example or shut up. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Bingo wrote: |
Of course people should not be breaking the drug laws of Korea. But then again, Korea doesn't exactly present itself as a country where laws are respected and enforced. When foreigners see traffic laws broken a hundred times a day, see contracts disregarded, see corruption everywhere, and see a general contempt for law ebbing throughout the entire culture "Respect our laws" is not exactly the message received by many foreigners. And when one accepts that Koreans are the biggest drug (alcohol) abusers in Asia, the whole moral outrage against foreigners smoking pot becomes a bit, well, Korean.
If Koreans were really so concerned about law enforcement, they might have demanded that workplace safety laws be enforced prior to the tragedy in Icheon this week. But they'd rather focus on Canadian "drug dealers" growing pot in their living room for personal use. And while on the subject of smoking, the same ajoshi who tut tuts at news of a foreigner smoking pot in his home has probably never respected a 'No Smoking" sign in his life.
If Koreans want foreigners to show greater respect for Korea's laws, they should lead by example or shut up. |
So, they should stary where YOU want them to start, not where they see priorities? |
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philipjames
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Totally agree. Korea has the most lawless society I have even had the fortune / misfortune to observe. The saying, "Laws are made to be broken," has never had more truth to it than in Korea. It never fails to amaze me how regularly I see laws ignored or broken in Korea. There is no stigma is breaking the law. The typical hogwan owner, contemptuous of the contract that holds his very signature, is not the exception in Korea. He is the most visible personification (at least to foreigners) of a society that holds law in contempt. When we leave the hogwan in the evening, fuming at the way our contracts have been ignored once again, only to be nearly killed by a car running a red light, the nature of Korean society is unmistakable. This is not a country that respects rules and laws. And yet Koreans, in their complete inability to comprehend the obvious, are baffled (and enraged) to find that some foreigners think it's no big deal to break the law in Korea. They never stop to think of how some foreigners might have come to this conclusion. The whole "You should always respect Korea's laws" approach to foreigners is altogether too rich.
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jnj
Joined: 29 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
The article certainly doesn't mention the Koreans that were involved.
Why's that? Oh, Koreans should be easily forgiven. Whether it's rape, pimping teenage girls, domestic abuse or drugs, it's only bad when a foreigner does it. It's even worse when an English teacher does it.
Remember folks, even though English teachers get caught using drugs more than Koreans, the statistics show that Koreans use more drugs than foreigners. Or at least get caught using drugs more than foreigners.
Read about that here: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/28/koreans-use-drugs-more-than-foreigners-but-canucks-still-potheads/ |
Actually, you should really read the article you're citing before using it as evidence.
The article goes on to state:
"There you go � all these sensationalist newspaper headlines about foreign English teachers being drug-abusing potheads are just a bunch of racist crap, right?"
and then:
"Well, maybe not. Although even by his own admission, GI could use better numbers to make definitive conclusions, it would appear that foreigners in Korea are much less likely to abuse drugs than locals. But by �foreigners� (of which there were 1,000,254 as of August 2007), we�re including 441,334 Chinese, 64,646 Vietnamese, 50,264 Filipinos and 42,792 Thais. And I�ve seen very few newspaper headlines blaring, �Chinese Cook Arrested for Drugs,� �Vietnamese Wife Arrested for Drugs,� or �Filipino Entertainer Arrested for Drugs.�
Nope. The headlines � and cause for social concern � pertain to the foreign English teachers doing drugs. And the numbers for them, dear readers, are not pretty. Or at least as far as English teachers from certain nations were concerned. As GI Korea points out, 27 Canadians and 27 Americans were busted on drug-related charges in 2007. For the Canadians, I�m going to make two assumptions � a) that the bulk of Canucks arrested for drugs were English teachers, and b) the number of Canuck English teachers in Korea hasn�t changed that much since 2006. As of August 2006, there were 4,598 Canadian E-2 visa holders. Even if we were to round the number of Canadians up to 5,000, the number comes out to one drug-related arrest for every 185 Canadian English teachers. That, friends, is an ugly number, especially compared with 1 out of 5,480 Koreans. To paraphrase GI Korea, that�s a post title you won�t see gracing Dave�s ESL Cafe anytime soon."
and ends with:
"Or, to put this a different way � face it, English teachers. While sensationalist press surely hasn�t helped, your reputation has been, by and large, earned." |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| jnj wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
The article certainly doesn't mention the Koreans that were involved.
Why's that? Oh, Koreans should be easily forgiven. Whether it's rape, pimping teenage girls, domestic abuse or drugs, it's only bad when a foreigner does it. It's even worse when an English teacher does it.
Remember folks, even though English teachers get caught using drugs more than Koreans, the statistics show that Koreans use more drugs than foreigners. Or at least get caught using drugs more than foreigners.
Read about that here: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/28/koreans-use-drugs-more-than-foreigners-but-canucks-still-potheads/ |
Actually, you should really read the article you're citing before using it as evidence.
The article goes on to state:
"There you go � all these sensationalist newspaper headlines about foreign English teachers being drug-abusing potheads are just a bunch of racist crap, right?"
and then:
"Well, maybe not. Although even by his own admission, GI could use better numbers to make definitive conclusions, it would appear that foreigners in Korea are much less likely to abuse drugs than locals. But by �foreigners� (of which there were 1,000,254 as of August 2007), we�re including 441,334 Chinese, 64,646 Vietnamese, 50,264 Filipinos and 42,792 Thais. And I�ve seen very few newspaper headlines blaring, �Chinese Cook Arrested for Drugs,� �Vietnamese Wife Arrested for Drugs,� or �Filipino Entertainer Arrested for Drugs.�
Nope. The headlines � and cause for social concern � pertain to the foreign English teachers doing drugs. And the numbers for them, dear readers, are not pretty. Or at least as far as English teachers from certain nations were concerned. As GI Korea points out, 27 Canadians and 27 Americans were busted on drug-related charges in 2007. For the Canadians, I�m going to make two assumptions � a) that the bulk of Canucks arrested for drugs were English teachers, and b) the number of Canuck English teachers in Korea hasn�t changed that much since 2006. As of August 2006, there were 4,598 Canadian E-2 visa holders. Even if we were to round the number of Canadians up to 5,000, the number comes out to one drug-related arrest for every 185 Canadian English teachers. That, friends, is an ugly number, especially compared with 1 out of 5,480 Koreans. To paraphrase GI Korea, that�s a post title you won�t see gracing Dave�s ESL Cafe anytime soon." |
jnj, I don't post random shit without reading it. Didn't you see where I wrote "...even though English teachers get caught using drugs more than Koreans, the statistics show that Koreans use more drugs than foreigners."
Nowhere did I say "English teachers use less drugs." I said "foreigners" and made the distinction between the two groups.
Billybrobby, I'm not sure of your point when you quoted me on the first page. I read the second sentence of the article. It goes along with my post that Koreans use more drugs (or, get caught using drugs) more than foreigners. |
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Bingo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Korean mentality:
1. Canadian man. Doesn't drink. Doesn't visit hookers. Invites a few friends over to his home to smoke some pot, watch a movie, eat a pizza, and hug each other while eating bag after bag of potato chips. Analysis: foreign drug dealer.
2. Korean man. Gets drunk out of his skull on soju, goes with buddies to a hooker room (third time that week), pukes outside on way home, pauses to grab an hour's sleep on the sidewalk, stumbles home at 3:30am, demands that wife get up and make him some food, falls asleep, and stumbles into work in the morning reeking of soju and hooker perfume. Analysis: hard-working Korean family man. |
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jnj
Joined: 29 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Nowhere did I say "English teachers use less drugs." I said "foreigners" and made the distinction between the two groups.
Billybrobby, I'm not sure of your point when you quoted me on the first page. I read the second sentence of the article. It goes along with my post that Koreans use more drugs (or, get caught using drugs) more than foreigners. |
Actually, you're posting in a thread titled "Foreign Instructors' Drug Offenses Unabating". If I made an inaccurate assumption regarding your use of "foreigner," then it was a mistake made from context :p |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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The "English Teacher" was 21?
How many college Graduates are 21?
I think this may have been someone slipping under the radar that is the fine immigration process, Korea Sparkling, KISS. |
I was 20 when I graduated. A classmate named Peyton Manning graduated on the same day and he was barely 21, but he makes a lot more money than I do. |
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dannylelievre
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Bingo wrote: |
Korean mentality:
1. Canadian man. Doesn't drink. Doesn't visit hookers. Invites a few friends over to his home to smoke some pot, watch a movie, eat a pizza, and hug each other while eating bag after bag of potato chips. Analysis: foreign drug dealer.
2. Korean man. Gets drunk out of his skull on soju, goes with buddies to a hooker room (third time that week), pukes outside on way home, pauses to grab an hour's sleep on the sidewalk, stumbles home at 3:30am, demands that wife get up and make him some food, falls asleep, and stumbles into work in the morning reeking of soju and hooker perfume. Analysis: hard-working Korean family man. |
I love it! I see it everyday too at my school, where i actually have the 'privilege' to work with Korean males as most of my school is actually full of male teachers.
and....I started college when i was 15, I graduated right as I turned 18. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Bingo wrote: |
Korean mentality:
1. Canadian man. Doesn't drink. Doesn't visit hookers. Invites a few friends over to his home to smoke some pot, watch a movie, eat a pizza, and hug each other while eating bag after bag of potato chips. Analysis: foreign drug dealer.
2. Korean man. Gets drunk out of his skull on soju, goes with buddies to a hooker room (third time that week), pukes outside on way home, pauses to grab an hour's sleep on the sidewalk, stumbles home at 3:30am, demands that wife get up and make him some food, falls asleep, and stumbles into work in the morning reeking of soju and hooker perfume. Analysis: hard-working Korean family man. |
You forgot:
3. Loser Foreigner. Blindly agrees completely with what the Korean man says. Gets Korean girlfriend/wife (finally finds a female that will talk to/date/marry him) Ignorantly spouts off about the evils of pot with absolutely no knowledge or research but refers to his buddy or cousin who was a stoner in high school and equates those people with everyone who smokes pot. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Normally, you'd be right. But Korea isn't enforcing any laws, or making any effort to eradicate any sort of crime. Oh wait. Yes they are. Foreign crime.
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| Bingo wrote: |
Of course people should not be breaking the drug laws of Korea. But then again, Korea doesn't exactly present itself as a country where laws are respected and enforced. When foreigners see traffic laws broken a hundred times a day, see contracts disregarded, see corruption everywhere, and see a general contempt for law ebbing throughout the entire culture "Respect our laws" is not exactly the message received by many foreigners. And when one accepts that Koreans are the biggest drug (alcohol) abusers in Asia, the whole moral outrage against foreigners smoking pot becomes a bit, well, Korean.
If Koreans were really so concerned about law enforcement, they might have demanded that workplace safety laws be enforced prior to the tragedy in Icheon this week. But they'd rather focus on Canadian "drug dealers" growing pot in their living room for personal use. And while on the subject of smoking, the same ajoshi who tut tuts at news of a foreigner smoking pot in his home has probably never respected a 'No Smoking" sign in his life.
If Koreans want foreigners to show greater respect for Korea's laws, they should lead by example or shut up. |
So, they should stary where YOU want them to start, not where they see priorities? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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lol - this thread has some absolutely golden posts.
Keep up the fantastic work!  |
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