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Kuros
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 Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: Analyzing Obama's Judgment: The Rezko Connection |
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'Judgment' is a theme of Obama's campaign. It is an obvious rebuttal to Hillary's claim of experience. It is also Obama's way to highlight being right about Iraq.
Well, what other instances of good judgment has Obama displayed?
Obama's association with the federally indicted Rezko seemed unwise.
Fellow Illinois Senator Dick Durbin defends Obama from allegations of criminal involvement.
| Fellow Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin wrote: |
| I think he's responded to all of them and at the end of the day I don't think there's any indication of anything other than perhaps bad judgment |
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But surely Obama is not responsible for a friend's wrongdoing, right? Obama may not have done anything if he had known Rezko had any questions about his reputability. It appears that assumption may not be correct
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| Two years ago, the two men were involved in a real estate deal that Obama later apologized for, calling it "boneheaded'' and a "mistake'' because the transaction occurred while Rezko was widely known to be under federal investigation. Rezko's wife paid full price for a vacant lot in Chicago's historic Kenwood district on the same day Obama bought the mansion next door from the same property owner for $300,000 below the asking price. Rezko's wife subsequently sold a sliver of the land to Obama. |
Obama's judgment: open to question |
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Czarjorge
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Hillary will be bringing up any shady land deals.  |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I don't think Hillary will be bringing up any shady land deals. |
Res Judicata |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I think whether Whitewater was closed or not, there are enough scandles out there to remind people of the "Clinton years", not to mention that the GOP will make sure to remind them. Just as much as your saying there is a percieved scandle against Obama, the same can be implied of Clinton. If you honestly think they bring won't bring it up, then your lying to yourself. The GOP has been (and is still counting on) Hillary Clinton to be the nominee. Why else would they attack her in almost every Republican debate in the last six months? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| If you honestly think they bring won't bring it up, then your lying to yourself. |
The difference is that Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong. The only real scandal was Bill's dalliance.
Do you honestly think 'they' won't bring up Obama's past?
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| The GOP has been (and is still counting on) Hillary Clinton to be the nominee.? |
So what? Notice I've never argued that we should select a candidate based on what the GOP will do. That's weakness.
Should a nominated Obama be attacked for his middle name, or for being Muslim, I'll stand behind him.
Will Obamites stand behind a nominated Hillary when the mud-slinging begins?
The problem is not them...its YOU. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros,
Nope, the problem is you. Attacking people for who they choose to support. I have not attacked Hillary Clinton, just pointed out that I dislike her. If given the choice in the general election between her and a Republican, I will likely not vote. I said that even before the first primary started and maintain that stance. I believe many other people, given the choice will do the same. As a citizen, that's my right. I strongly feel she is the wrong candidate to make changes in our country. If you can't respect that, then fine.
You wonder why Hillary Clinton has such a perception problem, well go look in the mirror. It's her supporters that slam and demean other candidates online. It's her suragets (sp?) that get caught saying things to the media and end up hurting her more then helping. It's her that runs a mean spirited campaign that is percieved as inevitable. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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So, you'll only back Obama if he's attacked for his name? 
I think most Dems will support ANY Dem. If McCain is nominated that might not hold as true, but I would have volunteered for McCain in 2000 and now I find him to be corrupt and unappealingly curmudgeonly, so it may be.
And whether or not Whitewater has been decided by the courts, the only court that matters in politics is the one of public opinion, and it has clearly not forgotten, or acknowledged that Hillary had "nothing" to do with it.
I think the point you miss is one of the same you use to prop up your opinion. Obama actually acknowledged a mistake and apologized for it. When was the last time a politician did that? That's one of the reasons people like him so much. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Kuros,
If given the choice in the general election between her and a Republican, I will likely not vote. I said that even before the first primary started and maintain that stance. I believe many other people, given the choice will do the same. As a citizen, that's my right. I strongly feel she is the wrong candidate to make changes in our country. If you can't respect that, then fine.
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No, I don't respect that.
I feel pretty much the same way about many Obama supporters as you feel about me. By the time the generals roll around, I'll get over myself. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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It's good to hear you can settle for the lesser of the candidates. I certainly can not.
By the way, when is Hillary Clinton going to stop her smear campaign? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
I think the point you miss is one of the same you use to prop up your opinion. Obama actually acknowledged a mistake and apologized for it. When was the last time a politician did that? That's one of the reasons people like him so much. |
I'm not accusing Obama of criminality. I'm questioning his judgment. Its a major theme of his campaign.
M-Dave considers this to be 'attacking' Obama. Its questioning Obama. I'm not peddling stale lies about him, I'm posting why I won't support him in the primaries. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
It's good to hear you can settle for the lesser of the candidates. I certainly can not.
By the way, when is Hillary Clinton going to stop her smear campaign? |
Hah! Obama has gotten away with a load of attacks. He's just not as skilled at it, apparently. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| I'm not peddling stale lies about him, I'm posting why I won't support him in the primaries. |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Should a nominated Obama be attacked for his middle name, or for being Muslim, I'll stand behind him. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I'm not peddling stale lies about him, I'm posting why I won't support him in the primaries. |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Should a nominated Obama be attacked for his middle name, or for being Muslim, I'll stand behind him. |
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Right, I meant that he wasn't Muslim, and I'd stand behind him because he's come out as a Christian.
As I remember, you were the one who brought up how Clinton was fragile and exposed.
What's good for the goose...
Oh, you're an Obama supporter. You actually think Obama is better than all the other politicians. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Nope, I never said that. But continue peddling the lies if you must. We all know where the Madrasa story started from. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Nope, I never said that. But continue peddling the lies if you must. We all know where the Madrasa story started from. |
Link?
I got a link for Obama's (D-Punjab) smear.
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As a copy of the document fell into the hands of Hillary Clinton's campaign, it promptly provided it to The New York Times as an illustration of dirty tricks by a rival who has sought to present his campaign as a "new kind of politics" above personal attacks.
Observers were surprised at Obama playing the outsourcing card as he himself is trying to court the Indian-American constituency with moves afoot to promote 'South Asians for Obama' chapters across the country. |
The close inspection of Obama is about to begin. The attacks against Hillary are old hat: but Obama's opened wounds will be fresh. May whoever the toughest candidate is win. (Hint: I'm betting Obama can't handle the heat) |
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