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bacasper
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 Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:33 am Post subject: Supporters of Paul & Obama Unite For A Recount In NH |
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Ron Paul had two precincts, Sutton and Greenville, that BOTH claimed to receive ZERO votes for him in the recent New Hampshire primary.
In the same ballot Rudy Giuliani received many more votes than would be expected for a candidate with no momentum from previous primaries and very low poll numbers in a state where he did not see fit to even campaign.
Barack Obama received significantly less votes than was predicted in the vast majority of polls whilst Hillary Clinton received significantly more votes than were predicted.
This coupled with the statistical analyses demonstrating that BOTH candidates potentially lost HUGE numbers of votes when comparing hand counts to machine counts (91% of the vote in New Hampshire was machine counted) should, in the interests of ensuring that a true representation of the will of the people is reflected in the results, be enough to drive any Paul or Obama supporter to sign this petition, regardless of party or candidate affiliation.
Given that both men are running for the office of President of the United States, an office that exists solely of the people, for the people and by the people, one assumes that they will both accept this request and represent the will of the people to demand this recount should enough signatures be accumulated.
Petition:
We, the undersigned, call on Congressman Ron Paul and Junior Senator Barack Obama, in the interests of fair play and truth at the ballot boxes, to request a hand recount of ALL votes cast in the 2008 New Hampshire Primary.
Sign the petition |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:51 am Post subject: Re: Supporters of Paul & Obama Unite For A Recount In NH |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Description/History:
Ron Paul had two precincts, Sutton and Greenville, that BOTH claimed to receive ZERO votes for him in the recent New Hampshire primary. |
You don't do yourself any favors by spreading lies. Take a look at:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/nh/nh_primary_gop_results_by_town/
It shows 31 votes for Paul in Sutton. Sure, no votes in Greenville out of 144. But has anyone from Greenville said they voted for Paul? Shouldn't be too hard to poll 144 people. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Yep. It says Sutton 31 votes for RP.
I think the question to be asked is what is wrong with the water in Sutton that it would produce 31 votes for him. Floride? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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That's right. After Sutton County reported zero and a voter called CSPAN to say that he and his family had voted for Ron Paul there, they corrected it.
Just chalk it up to "human error," huh? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| That's right. After Sutton County reported zero and a voter called CSPAN to say that he and his family had voted for Ron Paul there, they corrected it. |
So why didn't they just change the vote total to 3? And I guess nobody from Greenville has called to say they voted for Paul. I'd imagine that they're all aware their town is in the "national news" now. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| That's right. After Sutton County reported zero and a voter called CSPAN to say that he and his family had voted for Ron Paul there, they corrected it. |
So why didn't they just change the vote total to 3? And I guess nobody from Greenville has called to say they voted for Paul. I'd imagine that they're all aware their town is in the "national news" now. |
Yeah, OK, that's how elections work. You get the number of votes of people who call a radio show after the election...
Is this some type of lame attempt at humor? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Chip in for the recount:
Go to www.grannywarrior.com.
It seems Ron Paul may have actually gotten 20% of the vote. If the recount results in him getting a delegate, under NH law the recount money is returned and so you may just get back your money. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Yeah, OK, that's how elections work. You get the number of votes of people who call a radio show after the election... |
No, you get the number of votes that people cast for you. Paul got 31 in Sutton and 0 in Greenville. If you want a recount, there are procedures for doing such things. Instead of complaining, why don't you follow the procedures in place? |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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wow. just wow. this thread started as a petition. isn't petitioning for redress of greivances a cornerstone of being an american? and, in light of suspected election shenanigans such petitioning is refered to as "complaining"?
electing of officials is what keeps us free. any semblance of impropriety affiliated with such needs to be rooted out with gusto.
complaining? no. defending the most basic of american principles? oh, he^^ yeah. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
| wow. just wow. this thread started as a petition. isn't petitioning for redress of greivances a cornerstone of being an american? and, in light of suspected election shenanigans such petitioning is refered to as "complaining"? |
When there are procedures in place for getting a recount, and you don't follow those procedures but still demand a recount, that is complaining. Actually, more like whining. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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the OP in this thread was a petition. we, the people, used to hold some rights as self-evident. among these was the right to petition for redress of greivances. if my info is correct, only candidates can file for recounts. how are we, the people, to let the candidate(s) know that maybe a recount is warrented? hmm...maybe petitioning is a good route.
interesting times indeed...ones person's inalienable right is another's "complaining".
the right to petition, isn't that covered in the magna carta? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
| if my info is correct, only candidates can file for recounts. |
So Paul doesn't want a recount? Story's over boys. Go home.
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| the right to petition, isn't that covered in the magna carta? |
You have a right. I also have the right to call it tin-foil-hat whining. Do you really think a recount is going to make him a viable candidate? What happens when the recount shows no significant difference? More whining about the hand recount process? Or will you finally shut up? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| My thinking about this is how much of a change in the vote total can you realistically expect? Second, if it is off by 5 votes, then do we have people screaming fraud? |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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you want me to shut up? funny, nobody was saying such when i took that oath(thrice) to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. what is it that is so unnerving to some folks about the freedom of speech? the system is corrupt. if some members of this board are content to acquiesce to a fiat ruling class, so be it. i am not of that camp. neither were the guys inthe tricorner hats who told a king to go get stuffed.
everything we give away to the corpoNation today is something our heirs will never have. and you want me to shut up?
the system is fixed. they can't have 50 recounts this primary season. there isn't enough time/resources. here's to another four years of the nation being (run intothe ground) by folks on leave from corporations who put the company before the nation. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
and you want me to shut up?
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Yes. Your guy lost. Badly. Now take it like a man a shut up. |
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