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The hazards of eating out
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:49 am    Post subject: The hazards of eating out Reply with quote

How many of you enjoy eating out every day?
I used to cook for myself but decided to try eating out for the past 2 months. But its really starting to get to me. Why? - because Korean establishments have little idea how to serve western customers. I'm not saying they should, because this is Korea, etc etc. But these are some of the things that are putting me off:

1) Service is a social event for them. i prefer prompt, professional and impersonal delivery of what I order. Not a long "welcome the waygook to our homeland" reception.
2) They try to show you how to eat your food properly. If you eat it any other way than the korean way, it causes offence and they rush over to coach you. Hajimaaah!!! I paid for it, i'll eat it how i want to. Its my deal.
3)The ajoshhi running the place orders around his female staff as if they were sub- human: offputting. Or, he plays host by coming over and asking you the usual questions "are you married " etc.
4)They hate to see you drinking from a can or bottle: go to the toilet for a moment, and you will return to find your fizzy drink has been poured and flattened into some plastic cup. Aaaagghhhh!!!!
5)Whenever its busy, serving the waegook becomes a distant prospect. Priority no.1 is satisfying the Korean customers- waygook can wait.
6) Sometimes they resent you taking up a table, because foreigners frighten away the customers, and No korean will sit within a mile radius of you.
The list goes on. i've fallen out with the ajummas of 2 of my designated eating holes (both for trying to show me how to eat my food like a baby).
Looks like I'm going to have to get some groceries in again....
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gajackson1



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Cat, you have my empathy -

The longer a person has been here (and we have both been here awhile!), the more annoying something like that is . . .

Sometimes, I want a Han-geul button that says, 'No, I am NOT another Farkin tourist!!!'

lol

got my sympathies, brother, but write it off to just plain ignorance - they don't know any better, and are trying to help in their own way.

Regards,

G.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:01 am    Post subject: Re: The hazards of eating out Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
6) Sometimes they resent you taking up a table, because foreigners frighten away the customers, and No korean will sit within a mile radius of you.


I eat out a lot, and I have noticed this too. I don't give a damn anymore. If the party is that lacking in social skills to be unable to sit near me, I am happy they aren't. What is fun is when the restaurant is busy and you sit near a party and they get all nervous or the man in the party starts over acting and trys to show his machismo.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's why I order in.

CLG
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe it's because you go alone?
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kangnam mafioso



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you just have to learn how to do it. the korean philosophy of food and eating is totally different from the western method. eating alone is generally frowned upon. i'll never forget the look on the waiter's face when i ordered sam gyup sal alone my second week in seoul. any food that has to be cooked in front of you is off limits if you are alone, unless you want to pay the amount of 2 people ... which is unfortunate because those are my favorite korean foods. places that generally welcome solo diners are the ones that offer the standard korean grub: tchigae, nangmyun, kimbap, solang/kalbi-tang, bokimbap, bi-bim-bap, etc. these dishes aren't as good as the barbeque, but they are cheap and nutritious. dude, don't sweat it if they try to show you how to eat it -- it's just a courtesy. if you already know how, just say maj-ah-yo. lighten up a bit. i lived in seoul 2 years and can count on one hand the number of times i cooked at home.
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are no unusual hazards about eating out in Korea.
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Squid



Joined: 25 Jul 2003
Location: Sunny Anyang

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same goes for me.

Just to look at H and T's avatar awhile longer.

What's the thread about?
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little mixed girl



Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The hazards of eating out Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
1) Service is a social event for them. i prefer prompt, professional and impersonal delivery of what I order. Not a long "welcome the waygook to our homeland" reception.
2) They try to show you how to eat your food properly. If you eat it any other way than the korean way, it causes offence and they rush over to coach you. Hajimaaah!!! I paid for it, i'll eat it how i want to. Its my deal.

Yeah, this #2 is an annoyance. Particularly Bi-Bim-Bap as I don't like the hot spicy stuff mixed with rice - I have no problem with spicky kimcee or dok-bok-kee however. Just don't like to mix it with rice. 9 times out 10 the adjuma will freak out about it and insist and hmm and haw over it with a few of those slurping sounds. Its also quite annoying in galbi places as they insist on certain things.

Actually my #1 pet peeve that always annoys me immensily is how they move things around on my table immediately after I've placed it elsewhere. Its sometimes inconceivable to 'place' an object elsewhere and seemingly everytime the adjumma discovers something in the wrong place she'll move it back to where it was just at (which is where I didn't want it to be).

Generally this happens at the beginning of the meal and they place side dishes in front of you.. the ones I don't like I move away from me.. its either inconceivable that you'd move it away from you or that you wouldn't want to try it. Which also bothers me, I've tried them all and I know what I like and don't like. Often times the ones I don't touch are the ones they are so insistent for me to eat.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one time a vegetarian friend and i went to a galbi restaraunt, and i started trimming some of the excess fat of the meat. THe ajuma came over and took the scissors away from me. Not sure why it mattered to her if i trimmed the fat or not. Maybe she wanted me to die from clogged arteries at an early age?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good point fonzarelli. i usually do eat alone. Maybe thats why they try and talk to me all the time.
Its actually annoying, because I'm more than happy with my own company. Every korean seems to think you are suffering terrible loneliness if you spend one minute alone.
In my experience, someone who spends time alone with themselves is usually a better and well adjusted person for it... theres not enough time to think or reflect in this stressed- out modern life.
Conversely, Koreans often seem quite unable to function independently.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:34 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

They like to stir your food for you. I feel like such a baby when they do it. I know it is meant to be nice, but it is insullting.
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anae



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: cowtown

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never had any of that happen to me in five years. Maybe it is something that generally only happens to men? No one ever stirred my bibimbap, but they did stir my father's when he came to visit. You know how women raise men to be helpless in Korea.
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anae wrote:
I never had any of that happen to me in five years. Maybe it is something that generally only happens to men? No one ever stirred my bibimbap, but they did stir my father's when he came to visit. You know how women raise men to be helpless in Korea.


I never had any of this stuff happen to me during the 3 years I was there either and I'm a guy. I thought maybe this must be country areas but I've been out to the country too and nothing like that happened.

It's the same with being shoved and jostled: so many waygooks complain about it and it never happened to me. I figured it must be cos I'm 6'4". Maybe they never annoyed me during my meal for that same reason.

Mind you, having your drink poured into a glass or your food stirred shouldn't have to be annoying - I can see how it can be of course - but think of it as part of the total Korean-eating-experience! Smile I want to go to a Chinese restaurant where you grab food from trolleys whizzed past by bustling teams of waiters and the noise and smells are phenomenal. So I hear.

The only thing that used to annoy me was when restaurants didn't want to serve you a dish if you were on your own. Now I understand the reasons why it's no big deal, and eating with someone else is better anyway.

Matt
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