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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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BB,
Sorry you missed all the drama. I'm not recapping it. I'm sick of the nasty attacks. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| I'm sick of the nasty attacks. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Nope, but you do. You've proven ten times over in your posts today. The Hillary smear machine is alive and well. |
what?
He does what? |
Its been a pretty intense back and forth. I think I'll leave M-Dave alone. We're not making any progress here. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| I'm sick of the nasty attacks. |
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This coming from the person that called me a douchebag twice in one day. That's real white of you. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Kuros calculated:
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| Iowa and NH are not blue states |
Sayz who? Iowa has been leaning more left with each passing decade, though much of the farm country is still leaning right. Des Moines is a Democratic stronghold and the University of Iowa holds sway in much of the state. It also has a streak of populism in its rural areas.
New Hampshire used to be solidly conservative--as was Vermont and Maine. Not any more: lots of liberals from Boston moving into Manchester and elsewhere plus an increasing blue collar union manufacturing sector over the past three decades.
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New Hampshire old-timers are contrarian--even Robert Frost, who lived there, noted as much in a book of his poems.
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| There is the perception that Kerry is a bit of a wimp, so I don't know if I'm happy or not about that kind of a public endorsement. |
You got that right and I say this as one who might--I say might--just back Obama down the stretch.
But more than that, Kerry is a back stabber. I mean, Edwards was his handpicked running mate in '04 for God's sake. And Edwards hasn't change his tune since then, so what gives? I've never trusted Kerry after some of his outright deliberate mischaracterizations of his fellow soldiers in his Congressional testimony against the Vietnam War. He's also a New England blue-blood through and through.
MD in response to thepeel:
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| This coming from the person that called me a douchebag twice in one day. |
Ah, yes, that's what I like about the CE Forum--just one big happy family here! The Waltons are dysfunctional by comparison.  |
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| its a close race! which makes it that much more fun to watch this time around! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I do agree that Iowa has become more liberal, but I would not consider it a blue state; maybe purple. What seems to have happened is that Iowa has changed from a conservative state to one where a Democratic victory is possible, so more of a battle ground state. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
MD noted:
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| There is the perception that Kerry is a bit of a wimp, so I don't know if I'm happy or not about that kind of a public endorsement. |
You got that right and I say this as one who might--I say might--just back Obama down the stretch.
But more than that, Kerry is a back stabber. I mean, Edwards was his handpicked running mate in '04 for God's sake. And Edwards hasn't change his tune since then, so what gives? I've never trusted Kerry after some of his outright deliberate mischaracterizations of his fellow soldiers in his Congressional testimony against the Vietnam War. He's also a New England blue-blood through and through. |
Becareful, every time you say you are going to possibly back Obama I might have to send him $25. I'm crazy enough I'd do it too. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Bad news in Nevada, it appears a lawsuit may prevent workers from voting.
Nev. Democrats head to court
Posted 7h 38m ago
By Kathleen Hennessey, Associated Press Writer
LAS VEGAS � Nevada teachers have filed a legal challenge that could curb the influence of the state's largest union in its Democratic caucus later this month.
The Nevada State Education Association, its president and five people identified as Democrats planning to attend the Jan. 19 caucus filed the lawsuit late Friday against the Nevada Democratic Party.
The suit claims that party rules making it easier for Las Vegas Strip shift workers to attend the precinct meetings violate Nevada law and federal equal protection guarantees.
Most of those shift workers are members of the Culinary Workers Union, Local 226, a group that endorsed Democrat Barack Obama on Tuesday.
The Culinary is the largest union in Nevada and one of the few with the organizational muscle to have a major impact on the caucus.
Caucus rules boost that influence by allowing shift workers employed within 2.5 miles of the Strip to attend one of nine "at-large" precinct meetings in casinos, rather than return to their home precinct.
The suit claims that the system for determining the number of delegates up for grabs at the at-large meetings is unfair.
The party has "violated the principle of 'one person, one vote' by creating 'at-large' precincts for certain caucus participants, based solely on the employment of such participants," the suit, filed in U.S. District Court, said.
"This may have been a well-intentioned effort but it missed the mark," said the plaintiffs' lawyer, Mark Ferrario.
Messages left Saturday for the teachers union were not immediately returned.
The party argued its rules are an attempt to encourage participation among the state's largest workforce.
"We have taken unprecedented steps to include as many Nevadans as possible in this historic caucus day," Democratic party deputy executive director Kirsten Searer said in a statement. "The 'at-large' precincts were included to increase participation in the highest concentration of shift workers � many of whom are minorities."
Culinary union secretary-treasurer D. Taylor said the plaintiffs were using "Floridian Republican tactics to suppress cooks, housekeepers, people of color and women."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-12-nevada-lawsuit_N.htm?csp=34 |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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MD "warned":
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| Be careful, every time you say you are going to possibly back Obama I might have to send him $25. I'm crazy enough I'd do it too. |
Well, if you have the urge, send the cash my way instead.
Nothing crazy about clinging to hope, and Obama does offer that much with genuine sentiment. What I like most is the manner in which he responds to the Clinton attack machine: so far he's been all class. And for a guy who's the brat of the pack, that speaks volumes.
But if he promises to move the national capital to Portland I might get testy. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Steve,
You are definately right about the Clinton attack machine. We've seen that continue even after NH. The one thing that Clinton has said that she has said that makes sense is, "this is personal." Your damn right it is.
Especially when those who endorse Clinton are used to attack Obama. It's a good way for her to deny she has anything to do with it. The same goes for the lawsuit in Nevada. |
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| there was a special on nightline how barack has the biggest facebook contingent, while hillary had one of the biggest anti groups. |
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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| im gonna meet obama tomorrow night at a fund raiser here in PP... |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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SS,
Let us know how it goes. I shook hands with him back in September in Portland and heard him speak. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I was in Nevada last February, and Obama was speaking there. Unfortunately I couldn't see him due to something more important, but I certainly wish I had. |
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