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Ezra Levant and the silver platter
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Ezra Levant and the silver platter Reply with quote

Ezra Levant, publisher of the Western Standard, an Alberta based conservative magazine, has been forced to answer to the Alberta HRC about WS's publishing of the mohamad cartoons.

A newspaper being brought to a human rights commission for a cartoon.

Levant hands this little hippie her arse on a silver platter. And puts the whole episode in context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzVJTHIvqw8&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iMNM1tef7g&feature=related

And do the cartoons cause hate, or do muslims cause hate (of muslims)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFXJaEYyYjY&eurl

Mark Steyn is up against similar fascist-multiculturalists in BC and Ont. 'God' help Canada.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Levant comments on the HRC:

The video clips lose the drama, because the erosion of human rights in Canada in 2008 isn't dramatic. It's slow, bureaucratic and banal. If you don't pay attention, you might even not realize that freedoms are being eroded. I actually expected a combative, missionary-style interrogator. I found, instead, a limp bureaucrat who was just punching the clock. In a way, that's more terrifying
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Ezra Levant and the silver platter Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:

Mark Steyn is up against similar fascist-multiculturalists in BC and Ont. 'God' help Canada.


Are you a Mark Steyn fan?

I found his one book, America Alone to be a long, overly drawn out re-emphasis of two facts: a) Europe's birthrate is low & b) Europe is soft on Muslims
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to read Mark Steyn but seldom agree with him. I guess he lost me as a fan when he was a primary cheerleader for the war in Iraq in 2002-3 in the National Post.

America Alone is a very well written book, IMO. I don't know if some of his larger predictions will ring true but the general thrust of it (Europe will likely submit) is quite true, I reckon.

But that I like him or dislike him is irreverent. Like Levant, who is a social conservative, pro-war and economically nutty Albertan (I'm socially liberal, anti-war and not economically nutty), I care not what they say but that sharia values are becoming part of Canadian human rights. The Alberta, BC and Ont HRC's have NO RIGHT to establish sharia law in Canada by enforcing sharia law when childish, easily upset little muslim "men" get offended by a cartoon. That is not our future, though it might the the future of the UK, Sweden and others.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Steyn is a vulgar advocate of a theory propounded by another.

I hesitate to even recommend the dude, partly because he is Christian. But he's worth reading anyway, since he pretty much started the whole Death of Europe thing...
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of being vulgar or not, I hope you would agree that it isn't the role of the state to ensure that media never offends religious groups. Right?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada's treasonous immigration policy is to blame.

Troops to the east + radical Muslims to the west = ???

DIALECTICS Twisted Evil
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caniff



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So when will the HRC give its findings? What will be the likely outcome, do you think? And what kind of penalty does he face were he to lose (now that the newspaper is no longer in print)?
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The HRC's can only issue fines less than 20k, if I remember correctly. The Western Standard is still being published, but only online (like Slate). I don't know if it would be able to survive a fine.

But the larger issue of is Canada a free country is born when the HRC finds against Levant. If offending muslims is a crime, then only muslims have free speech as they can shift the goalposts of what offends them to suit their political needs.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
Regardless of being vulgar or not, I hope you would agree that it isn't the role of the state to ensure that media never offends religious groups. Right?


I'm a believer in a pluralist society. Secularism doesn't get it right, and certainly any overt role for religion in the state I find abhorrant. The principle of pluralism is tolerance and free expression. But this cuts both ways. I find conservative Islam to be far too sensitive. A pluralist society doesn't have to indulge the hyper-neuroses of Islam. Its enough to guarantee their essential liberties.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, to push the question. Do you believe that, in any situation, offending a religion ought to be a crime? Should "piss christ" been a crime? Throwing a koran in a toilet?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
Well, to push the question. Do you believe that, in any situation, offending a religion ought to be a crime? Should "piss christ" been a crime? Throwing a koran in a toilet?


I believe the correct law school answer to this question would be: depends on the circumstances.

No, offending religion should not be its own crime to itself. How would you create an objective standard for 'an offense to religion?' I certainly am against particular religions lobbying for laws to protect particular offenses.

Throwing the koran in a toilet is inadvisable, but its none of the law's business provided its your toilet. Laughing
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
How would you create an objective standard for 'an offense to religion?'


Religious people say "I'm offended".
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
Kuros wrote:
How would you create an objective standard for 'an offense to religion?'


Religious people say "I'm offended".


That's a subjective standard. It depends on the state of mind of the individual religious person. The law disfavors subjective standards.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm no lawyer. But the law should tell people who cry to the government about how offended they are to shut the frak up. Adults do not try to use the law to try and prevent hurt feelings.

Here is another video from the HRC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3SdV2cwn4&eurl
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