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browneyedgirl

Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Unknowing twins marry each other |
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Here's some crazy news-
A set of British twins who were separated at birth went on to marry each other without realizing they were related, the UK Press Association reported Friday.
The brother and sister, who were adopted by separate parents, were given an annulment after a High Court judge ruled that the marriage had never been valid.
Their identities and details of their relationship have been kept secret, but the Press Association reported that the duo did not find out that they were blood relatives until after they were married.
David Alton, a member of the House of Lords, revealed their situation as a way of highlighting perceived shortcomings in the Human Embryology and Tissues Bill which is now going through Britain's Parliament.
He first heard of the twins' marriage in a conversation with a High Court judge, and initially raised the case in a House of Lords debate on December 10.
Alton said: "(The brother and sister) met later in life and felt an inevitable attraction, and the judge had to deal with the consequences of the marriage that they entered into and all the issues of their separation.
"I suspect that it will be a matter of litigation in the future if we do not make information of this kind available to children who have been donor-conceived."
Alton is concerned that the new bill would allow the biological identity of one parent to be removed from the birth certificate, PA reported, and that there would be no way for the child to know if they had been donor-conceived.
He told PA on Friday: "The state is colluding in a deception. We are opening the door to more cases like this one. One of the most fundamental things of all is to know who you are. The issue here is about human rights.
"A birth certificate that omits any mention of your true origin falsifies your history in a very significant way." |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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This illustrates the Westermarck effect.
According to Finnish anthropologist Edvard Westermarck ([1894] 1922), the reason a brother and sister raised together are not sexually attracted to each is not because they are brother and sister, but because they were raised together.
This effect has been observed several times in several places. In a kibbutz in Isreal, children are housed in coed dormitories with coed showers and coed restrooms. There have been very few marriages between persons raised in the same kibbutz. In those few such marriages, one or both partners arrived in the kibutz late in childhood. (Shepher, 1971)
In China, it was at one time customary for rich families wtih only one boy to buy a girl from a poor family, raise that girl as a daughter, and force the two to get married when they reach a marriagable age. This custom has been detested by couples who were so obligated. There have been cases of parents forcing the couples to mate by standing outside the door with a stick. Fortunately, the custom is fortunately on the decline. (Wolf, 1966)
Shepher, J. 1971. Mate selection among second generation kibbutz adolescents and adults: Incest avoidance and negative imprinting. Archives of Sexual Behavior 1: 293-307.
Westermarck, E. [1894] 1922. The history of human marriage. New York: Allerton, 2 vol.
Wolf, A. P. 1966. Childhood association, sexual attraction, and the incest taboo: A Chinese case. American Anthropologist 68: 883-898. |
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browneyedgirl

Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
...the reason a brother and sister raised together are not sexually attracted to each is not because they are brother and sister, but because they were raised together.. |
That does make a lot of sense. I remember this girl that we all went to school with got pregnant by her step-brother and it grossed everyone out even though they weren�t blood related or anything. I guess it was because they grew up together, and everyone thought of them as siblings. |
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crash bang
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Location: gwangju
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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thats hawt |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Reminds me of this movie. |
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cunning_stunt

Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Shepher, J. 1971. Mate selection among second generation kibbutz adolescents and adults: Incest avoidance and negative imprinting. Archives of Sexual Behavior 1: 293-307.
Westermarck, E. [1894] 1922. The history of human marriage. New York: Allerton, 2 vol.
Wolf, A. P. 1966. Childhood association, sexual attraction, and the incest taboo: A Chinese case. American Anthropologist 68: 883-898. |
What level of dysfunctional anal retentiveness has a person reached when they start to reference their forum posts ? You missed your calling as a beaurocrat .
And who doesn't know about the westermarck effect anyway ? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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I love this...awesome example. |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure what the fancy psychology terminology for it is, but there is also a tendency for people to be attracted to someone who looks like them. Essentially their opposite gender doppleganger. That may have played a role here too. |
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paquebot
Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Location: Northern Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: |
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cunning_stunt wrote: |
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Shepher, J. 1971. Mate selection among second generation kibbutz adolescents and adults: Incest avoidance and negative imprinting. Archives of Sexual Behavior 1: 293-307.
Westermarck, E. [1894] 1922. The history of human marriage. New York: Allerton, 2 vol.
Wolf, A. P. 1966. Childhood association, sexual attraction, and the incest taboo: A Chinese case. American Anthropologist 68: 883-898. |
What level of dysfunctional anal retentiveness has a person reached when they start to reference their forum posts ? You missed your calling as a beaurocrat .
And who doesn't know about the westermarck effect anyway ? |
Oh hush. I appreciate having sources to follow for more information.
Just because tomato, you, and I know about the Westermark Effect doesn't mean that everybody does. If I throw out references to transhumance, diet breadth models, anxious-avoidant insecure attachment versus anxious-resistant insecure attachment, and humoral theory do you automatically know what I'm talking about?  |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Can't beat a good bit of incest. Maybe the dude can father his own brother? |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: |
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"It's Chinatown, Jake." |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Czarjorge wrote: |
I'm not sure what the fancy psychology terminology for it is, but there is also a tendency for people to be attracted to someone who looks like them. Essentially their opposite gender doppleganger. That may have played a role here too. |
Oddly enough, I'm sure 96% of the members of this board are the counter-example of that theory. |
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luvnpeas

Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Czarjorge wrote: |
I'm not sure what the fancy psychology terminology for it is, but there is also a tendency for people to be attracted to someone who looks like them. Essentially their opposite gender doppleganger. That may have played a role here too. |
Narcissism?? (Whatever it is... I have it. ) |
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