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Ezra Levant and the silver platter
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
Well, I'm no lawyer. But the law should tell people who cry to the government about how offended they are to shut the frak up. Adults do not try to use the law to try and prevent hurt feelings.


Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Peel, I'm from Alberta. I went to university at the same time as Ezra Levant, and while I don't think we were ever formally introduced, we were involved in the same all-party political functions on a number of occassions. He's a blowhard and a grandstander, as can be seen on the video. "My ancient and inalienable rights, 800 years of common law" blah blah blah. Furthermore, he gives the impression of being on some sort of rapturous moral crusade, whereas the more politic approach in that situation would be to play it cool, and allow his opponents to come off as the foaming ideologues. But playing it cool has never been Levant's talent, to say the least.

Having said that, these hearings are a joke. The cartoons were published by three other newspapers in Canada: a Jewish community paper, a university paper in the Maritimes, and a francophone daily in Quebec. To my knowledge, none of them have been hauled up on human-rights charges. It's possible, I suppose, that there is no one in those other provinces who felt like pressing charges, but I find that unlikely. More plausibly, Western Standard was singled out because their "rednecked yahoo" reputation made a more tempting target.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been watching the other video that Peel posted. Levant looks at the woman and says(referring to her and another woman)...

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...she's a thug, you're a thug...


Christ, what does he think he's doing, conducting an internet flame war? I really hope that he's got some more tactful witnesses on his side.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ezra said(roughly)...

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I've been accused of offending the Prophet. He's dead, so I don't think I've offended him."


I can pretty much guarantee that Levant would not say the same thing if he were accused of offending Jesus Christ, because the bulk of his journal's readership consists of bible-thumping yokels(who, by the way, don't give a rat's ass about the principles free speech).
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with OTOH's assessment of Levant. But, even if (and this would actually make me quite happy) an arch-leftist was under the same circumstances, I would be equally outraged.

My disgust with this is entirely unrelated to the man that was pulled in front of that HRC. There is a larger principle in question.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The imam is now threatening a defamation suit.

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The leader of the Al Madinah Calgary Islamic Centre said he's considering legal action after disparaging comments were posted yesterday on a website run by Ezra Levant, founder of the now-defunct Western Standard magazine.

On the site, Levant refers to Syed Soharwardy as a "radical, Saudi-trained imam," a charge Soharwardy flatly denied.

"If he has proof ... show me about my training," said Sohawardy, founder of the group Muslims Against Terrorism. "Mr. Levant ... is spreading lies in the community."

Levant was interviewed for 90 minutes yesterday by an Alberta Human Rights Commission panel, in relation to comments he made about Soharwardy two years ago.



Levant has apparently admitted that he was wrong about Soharwardy being Saudi-trained.

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Asked for proof of his allegation the imam was religiously trained in Saudi Arabia, Levant conceded in an e-mail to the Sun Soharwardy lectured at a university there, but did not study.


Still, I'm not sure if saying, even falsely, that someone studied in Saudi Arabia can be considered defamatory.

http://tinyurl.com/365z7s
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who or what Ezra Levant is, believes in, or publishes is irrelevant. The man's a free citizen of a theoretically free country and can say whatever he wants.

Canada's dalliance with hate-speech laws is a travesty and was one of the primary reasons I decided not to move there. (America finds other ways to infringe our civil liberties, so I'm not really happy here either, but whatever.) I hope Canada can come to its senses and get rid of these laws before it's too late.
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Mosley



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OTOH: You know, mate, I seem to recall that many moons ago, you accused me of painting w/a very wide brush. Yet you show precious little hesitation in characterizing the WS readership as "bible-thumping yokels" who care squat for free speech.

Well, as a WS reader I can assure you that I'm no bible-thumper(agnostic, if anyone must know) and I am very much concerned about free speech. That's why I support the right of Marxists to spout their bile(I am against their "right" to do that while on a public payroll, but hey, that's another issue all together).

As for being a "yokel": yep, I be one. And a hick, bumpkin, hillbilly and a redneck too. Those ain't insults in my backwoods haunts. Smile
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I feel like ranting now.

I read the Western Standard too. The Canadian media was described by the Economist last week as "stuffy and politically correct". I'd add to that "utterly useless". On every issue that matters, meaningful discussion is politically incorrect at best and a "hate crime" at worst. Think Abroigional affairs, crime, immigratoin, poverty etc etc.

Take Aboriginal affairs, for example. The Europeans steal a nation, kill off a bunch of them and stick the rest in assimilation schools. Those fail (and are full of sexual abuse) and the reserve system of voluntary apartheid is born. Out of this comes mass sexual abuse, addiction, criminality, deviance from school, fatherlessness (and even mass motherlessness) and a totally destroyed people (Whites did it). It is not their fault. This system keeps the Natives out of mainstream Canadian life and in a worse situation than even Black Americans in Baltimore and yet to EVEN DISCUSS IT (other than to proclaim how more welfare is the solution) is deemed racist. Good grief. Canada is just not a serious country. The Globe, Star and the rest of the Suns/Journals never even touch the problem. To discuss it honestly gets you fired. I worked for the government near a reservation for 3 years, apprehending kids who had been sexually abused. Canadians have absolutely no idea how bad it is. When ever I head them going on about USA this and that, I put those little smug prats in their place. But how could they know? The media pretends we are just a "multicultural" paradise (despite a lilly white supreme court and government).

My closest friend was a journalist at a mid-sized paper in Western Canada who was disciplined for calling the Department of Indian Affairs the Department of Indian Affairs at a staff meeting. He has left the profession. The hippie took offense to the word "Indian", despite that being the proper name of the department. Political correctness. The 90's never ended in Canada.

The National Post used to be a voice of dissent and it is now right-of-Liberal and the WS is all that is left. macleans is improving under Ken White, though.

Unfortunately, it looks like the Liberal establishment is going to use the criminal code to codify in law the vapid intellectual climate that PC created.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OTOH: You know, mate, I seem to recall that many moons ago, you accused me of painting w/a very wide brush. Yet you show precious little hesitation in characterizing the WS readership as "bible-thumping yokels" who care squat for free speech.

Well, as a WS reader I can assure you that I'm no bible-thumper(agnostic, if anyone must know) and I am very much concerned about free speech. That's why I support the right of Marxists to spout their bile(I am against their "right" to do that while on a public payroll, but hey, that's another issue all together).


Well, while I doubt that anyone will soon be confusing the Western Standard readership in general with that of The Humanist In Canada, I do acknowledge that the magazine quite likely attracts a variety of philosophical inclinations. Heck, I myself was a regular browser of the old AR magazine at various newsstands and libraries in Edmonton, though I always refrained from actually buying a copy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for being a "yokel": yep, I be one. And a hick, bumpkin, hillbilly and a redneck too. Those ain't insults in my backwoods haunts.


Hey, I grew up in Edmonton, in the late 70s party-hard heyday of forty-bucks-a-barrel. I don't know if there's a word for urban yokels, but if there is, it would probably apply to half the people I grew up around, sitting at the Steak Loft with their let-the-eastern-bastards-freeze t-shirts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, let em'.
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